Oxford United boss admits home form is a worry (From Herald Series)

Just go WIlder, save us the stress, and take your cronies with you.

Oh and if you can make room for Heslop, Montrose, Pitman, Raynes, Capaldi, Worley, Parker, Smalley, Richards, McCormick and Brown all the better.

He still can't admit we are a poor team in a poor league, can he? It's the pitches fault, it's injuries.
Put your hands up chris and admit you have blown the wage budget on a bunch of mediocre players who are now seeing out their contracts before moving on in the summer.

Lets hope the Luton reports are true, I will drive him there myself if it gets rid of him.

Wilder out.

Wilder never stops does he? Players need to be braver? how many times has he said that? What does he expect when we have such a weak insipid manager who has overspent his welcome and emptied the Well.

There is nothing in this team that offers an ounce of inspiration. we're very lucky that we picked up points earlier in the season otherwise I think relegation would have been a real possibility. Wilder going to Luton? Ha Ha well at least their moronic fans will deserve him.

Wilder has no dignity at all he's mercenary taking the money knowing he hasn't earned it.

York haven't won in 9 games even Wycombe put 4 past them and we can't score (again). players have failed because Manager&coaching staff offer no inspiration or ideas.

we have gone backwards.

Wilder should have madew it compulsory for all the players and coaches (including himself) to watch the women's team yesterday. They didn't let the pitch affect their performance. They still managed to pass the ball round, keep it under control without the need for aimless punts up the field.

He would be a fool not to take the Luton job if it was offered to him because he's certainly not going to be here next season.

I can't see him walking out to join Luton or anyone else, it makes it too easy for IL. I made the decision after the c**p that was being served up at the end of last season, not to go again until he was sacked. In all honesty I'm glad that I did, by all accounts it's worse than last year. When the inevitable happens and is leaves...pushed or otherwise I will like many others who have deserted the team, start going again.

Hear , hear - can't wait WANT to return . Come on Wilder take us up this season!! Anything less and you must be sacked - losing in the playoffs must not save you!!

BigAlBiker wrote:
Just go WIlder, save us the stress, and take your cronies with you.

Oh and if you can make room for Heslop, Montrose, Pitman, Raynes, Capaldi, Worley, Parker, Smalley, Richards, McCormick and Brown all the better.

Agree totally

So if Wilder goes who will come to manage us with the financial constraints we have. Half decent players won't be interested half decent managers won't be interested so until we buy the stadium from that mad man Kassam change the name and release additional funds we are only ever going to be a mid table team with a middle of the road manager and players who are either unwanted by anyone or at best below average. Constable (also known as Beano) is at his level at Oxford if he was really that good he would have gone by now, loyalty is nothing, fact of the matter is he not good enough or lacks the ambition to play at a higher level in case he is found out. In reality I don't think this is the worst side we have ever seen, for the oldies remember the team with Paul Berry etc. Ian Greaves came in and made them hard to beat but football was non existant, and Greaves soon left for Wolves. For me the most loyal player who always gave 100pc and more and was probably the first and last most loyal player for Oxford was Gary Briggs.

Southstandupper wrote:
So if Wilder goes who will come to manage us with the financial constraints we have. Half decent players won't be interested half decent managers won't be interested so until we buy the stadium from that mad man Kassam change the name and release additional funds we are only ever going to be a mid table team with a middle of the road manager and players who are either unwanted by anyone or at best below average. Constable (also known as Beano) is at his level at Oxford if he was really that good he would have gone by now, loyalty is nothing, fact of the matter is he not good enough or lacks the ambition to play at a higher level in case he is found out. In reality I don't think this is the worst side we have ever seen, for the oldies remember the team with Paul Berry etc. Ian Greaves came in and made them hard to beat but football was non existant, and Greaves soon left for Wolves. For me the most loyal player who always gave 100pc and more and was probably the first and last most loyal player for Oxford was Gary Briggs.

A half decent manager would be a big improvement. Amazingly , a third bid from Rovers of about £200k for Constable was turned down by United (of course, a few months earlier Constable turned down the STFC bid) . Greaves' team battled to rise many places in 1980-81 . In 1981-82 , they were playing well and were doing superbly (Cassells and Foley to the fore) and won 3-0 away to a full strength top flight team in the FA Cup. With Greaves gone, they got hammered away to another top flight club in the next round.

STFC move not the STFC bid - which was massive. Constable's commitment is great - Briggs (a true United legend and of at least second flight class) may have looked even more committed (but he was a defender and that helps) on the pitch but was he?

So Wilder reminds us on Radoxf that he has been a manager for ten years. Yep, six years with Halifax Town and look where they are now; six months as an assistant at Bury and then he was offered a job with us he could only dream about.

He is so out of his depth at this level that I am not surprised of our plight.

I believe we are all sick and tired of his excuses and I for one will turn the radio off when he appears.

Like others have said, its a game of poker maybe twixt him and Lenagan for if he resigns he gets bugger all while if he is sacked I would think he will get compensation.

I might be wrong of course, but why else would this position be thrust upon us.

Managers know the score when they sign up.

Big al biker , you are one sad pathetic person comming on here after every article quoting what you do , you ain't no Oxford fan , get a life pal because yours must be pretty sad if that's what you do on a night , moan just like a group of fans do on a sat who aint got a clue but just turn up and cant wait to be negative and have a moan up . moron!

Coyyellows wrote:
Big al biker , you are one sad pathetic person comming on here after every article quoting what you do , you ain't no Oxford fan , get a life pal because yours must be pretty sad if that's what you do on a night , moan just like a group of fans do on a sat who aint got a clue but just turn up and cant wait to be negative and have a moan up . moron!

As opposed to your constructive post which was a verbal volley at a fellow fan.

What are your feelings on the current management, players and plight of oufc? Happy, enjoying it, satisfied?

Coyyellows wrote:
Big al biker , you are one sad pathetic person comming on here after every article quoting what you do , you ain't no Oxford fan , get a life pal because yours must be pretty sad if that's what you do on a night , moan just like a group of fans do on a sat who aint got a clue but just turn up and cant wait to be negative and have a moan up . moron!

Another 'monster' ! Al, should that be Fat al biker? Most folk I know who call themselves big 'something' are either lanky weeds like Crouch or could lose a couple of stones - says this little old weed! Al - I must confess that CW has driven me away from watching regularly - do I hear "that's no loss"?

Coyyellows wrote:
Big al biker , you are one sad pathetic person comming on here after every article quoting what you do , you ain't no Oxford fan , get a life pal because yours must be pretty sad if that's what you do on a night , moan just like a group of fans do on a sat who aint got a clue but just turn up and cant wait to be negative and have a moan up . moron!

Guess what, at my advancing age I suspect I have supported the mighty yellows for far longer than you have, spent more of my hard earned on watching and supporting them than you and do you know what, that entitles me to an opinion, like backside's we all have one and until that useless excuse for a manager leaves this wonderful club I for one will be banging on anywhere I can.

Wilder, Melville and Lewis put out out.

oldun wrote:

Coyyellows wrote:
Big al biker , you are one sad pathetic person comming on here after every article quoting what you do , you ain't no Oxford fan , get a life pal because yours must be pretty sad if that's what you do on a night , moan just like a group of fans do on a sat who aint got a clue but just turn up and cant wait to be negative and have a moan up . moron!

Another 'monster' ! Al, should that be Fat al biker? Most folk I know who call themselves big 'something' are either lanky weeds like Crouch or could lose a couple of stones - says this little old weed! Al - I must confess that CW has driven me away from watching regularly - do I hear "that's no loss"?

This I like, just to explain, I am called BigAlBiker because I am 6' 3" tall, well built at around 15st 7lbs and both ride a large powerful motorcycle and also cycle to work every day.

There, hopefully that might satisfy "some" of us here.

Oh I nearly forgot, Wlder, Melville and Lewis out out out.

BigAlBiker wrote:

oldun wrote:

Coyyellows wrote:
Big al biker , you are one sad pathetic person comming on here after every article quoting what you do , you ain't no Oxford fan , get a life pal because yours must be pretty sad if that's what you do on a night , moan just like a group of fans do on a sat who aint got a clue but just turn up and cant wait to be negative and have a moan up . moron!

Another 'monster' ! Al, should that be Fat al biker? Most folk I know who call themselves big 'something' are either lanky weeds like Crouch or could lose a couple of stones - says this little old weed! Al - I must confess that CW has driven me away from watching regularly - do I hear "that's no loss"?

This I like, just to explain, I am called BigAlBiker because I am 6' 3" tall, well built at around 15st 7lbs and both ride a large powerful motorcycle and also cycle to work every day.

There, hopefully that might satisfy "some" of us here.

Oh I nearly forgot, Wlder, Melville and Lewis out out out.

Fear for certain (guys your size - wjho are not flabby- scare me pooless) - There is respect too - but only if you weren't the one who invented that impressive moniker!! Old , cos I was born in the first half of the last century

Couldn't give a monkeys pal , its your choice , if your gona spend that "hard earned cash " going to watch , then don't moan !
And if your that big a man , wait at the ground and tell wilder and them players you slate too there faces , Instead of hiding behind a computer and doing it ! They normally get to the ground @1.15 on a match day big man !

Coyyellows wrote:
Couldn't give a monkeys pal , its your choice , if your gona spend that "hard earned cash " going to watch , then don't moan !
And if your that big a man , wait at the ground and tell wilder and them players you slate too there faces , Instead of hiding behind a computer and doing it ! They normally get to the ground @1.15 on a match day big man !

I am having difficulty following your logic here, if I go to watch I should not moan, hmmm I would have thought actually going to the game and observing for myself what's happening would have given me some credibility and reasoning to be able to moan, and as for telling Mr Wilder what I think, guess what, I have, right to him, and also in letter form.

So you see I don't always "hide" behind a keyboard, I do actually front the man, even when we played reserve games at Didcot I sat by Mr Wlder and " discussed" how we were doing, but,I suspect you we're not one of the 63 paying spectators when we played Southend reserves one cold night.

Have you "discussed" with the players you have listed at the start of this thread what you think of them , face to face? , id like to see that ! Where do think all of your constant constant wining and moaning is gona get you !

sorry to disappoint you all but john still of daggers is going to luton.

So what happens if club go into administration? We don't own a thing, so it will be difficult to survive......At least we could break out of the contract with Kassam and negotiate new realstic deal to ground share with Wycombe perhaps or dare I suggest even Swindon. Mr Kassam is strangling the life out of the club and will not entertain renogotiating the lease.The club is in a serious precarious position, Mr Leneghan will not put any more money into this project, and finding new owners or investors we know is not easy.

I'm not a Wilder fan, but people need to wake up and accept we will seriously struggle to find or attract any top talent. I truly fear for future of oxf utd as a professional club. We desperately need leadership from the board right now and it's clearly not forthcoming, Wilder is caught up in this same mess.

Here here greengarden at last someone who can see what is really happening and where the blame lies.
As for Wilders same old stories when things go wrong it is a football thing, ever listened to Ferguson when things go against Man United???? Never the team or individual players are blamed only the officials or the pitch, so you see football managers will always use the same excuses. Same now for Wenger and just about every manager whos team fails to win.
Yet to read from the Wilder out brigade who they would seriously like to take over as manager in out current situation? Bear in mind we have a peanut budget, and will only rely on free transfers.
Yes oldun Greaves did well and I remember Brighton very well but remember the players like Berry, Lowe, Kingston, and Greaves first signing? the crocked Malcolm Page on a free from Birmingham no world beaters there like now,yet we all believed maybe it was good there were no computers availbale then for us to rant on otherwise we would have even less fans now.

The Wilder in brigade seem pretty clueless as to how we'll retain our league status with such a hapless manager who has signed several below average players and let half decent ones go.

I must be missing the brilliant winning streak we're on where we've shot up the table into an automatic promotion spot, we're averaging 9000 fans a game and scoring a boatload of goals??

I'd like to live in your world chaps but at some point you have to move out of your head and into fresh air.

Wilder is empty as are the stands.

CoyYellows=Wilder troll - there seems to be a few of them.

35 year fan wrote:
sorry to disappoint you all but john still of daggers is going to luton.

Damm shame that, oh well we can only hope he wont be there to much longer.

Coyyellows wrote:
Have you "discussed" with the players you have listed at the start of this thread what you think of them , face to face? , id like to see that ! Where do think all of your constant constant wining and moaning is gona get you !

With the players, not me personally but have you?

But what i do know is that Heslop wants out, how do i know, well he told a friend of mine himself just last week, he had no idea my friend (female) was a supporter and he just blurted it out that he was fed up with all of it and wants to leave, i for one am not stopping him.

Who will want to manage this club is always the response that comes from the Wilder In camp. They then go on to say "no manager would want to come here". And you know that how? Why is Ady Boothroyd at Northampton? Mickey Adams at Port Vale? You can't say that Adams has been flashing the cash. He's had to deal with a restricted squad & keeping the club afloat this season and even on this restricted budget that was imposed on him & the restricted squad, he has produced one of the best teams we have played this season. Look where Port Vale are & look where we are - on a much more substantial budget. Edgar Davids is at Barnet & has given them a fighting chance of survival.

The problem is not lack of budget, it is more than adequate for a so-called promotion chasing team. The problem is Wilder has wasted that budget on sicknotes and mediocrity. There are plenty of managers who would love the opportunity to manage at Oxford, some of them will be even bigger donkeys than the current one, some will be too expensive, but the club is going backwards under Wilder now. He has taken us as far as he can. He needs a fresh challenge just as we need a new broom. Do you really trust Wilder to bring in anyone other than third rate donkeys or constantly injured so-called superstars?

Look at teams like Cheltenham and burton. I cannot imagine their player budgets are as high as ours, but it has been spent wisely, and the players managed well....look at the results.

Just for the record I am not for keeping Wilder just interested in who would want to come here with our present financial restrictions. Port Vale own their ground I believe as do Northampton we don't we are being screwed by Kassam. Remember it was Jim Smith who brought Wilder to Oxford so he must have some something about him and I understand that Jim Smith does have some imput into players and giving Wilder advice. But then Jim Smith the loyal manager who walked out on us when he had led us to the old first division, but good boss and a great motivator while he had Pergamons pension funds to spend.

Southstandupper wrote:
Here here greengarden at last someone who can see what is really happening and where the blame lies.
As for Wilders same old stories when things go wrong it is a football thing, ever listened to Ferguson when things go against Man United???? Never the team or individual players are blamed only the officials or the pitch, so you see football managers will always use the same excuses. Same now for Wenger and just about every manager whos team fails to win.
Yet to read from the Wilder out brigade who they would seriously like to take over as manager in out current situation? Bear in mind we have a peanut budget, and will only rely on free transfers.
Yes oldun Greaves did well and I remember Brighton very well but remember the players like Berry, Lowe, Kingston, and Greaves first signing? the crocked Malcolm Page on a free from Birmingham no world beaters there like now,yet we all believed maybe it was good there were no computers availbale then for us to rant on otherwise we would have even less fans now.

Greaves ??? Looking at my Howland brothers Complete Record. He took us over when we were at the bottom of the third flight at Xmas . We had dropped 27 points from our previous 11 matches!! From his take over, we lost 3 of our remaining 21 matches!! That season he took us to a finish of 14th - almost half way up. The next season, we eliminated 7 teams from the two major cups and were challenginh hard for promotion when he left, Twelve superb months - thanks, Mr Greaves (rest in peace) - the miracle worker

You think potential managers care who owns the ground? Look at Coventry for example. They don't own their ground and their rent is £1million per season. Mark Robins didn't hesitate to go there earlier in the season & hey presto,
He turned them around.

There are plenty of clubs around who don't own their grounds, but that doesn't stop them from attracting managers - Barnet, swindon, Leeds - even Portsmouth have managed to do it in recent years.

Southstandupper wrote:
Here here greengarden at last someone who can see what is really happening and where the blame lies.
As for Wilders same old stories when things go wrong it is a football thing, ever listened to Ferguson when things go against Man United???? Never the team or individual players are blamed only the officials or the pitch, so you see football managers will always use the same excuses. Same now for Wenger and just about every manager whos team fails to win.
Yet to read from the Wilder out brigade who they would seriously like to take over as manager in out current situation? Bear in mind we have a peanut budget, and will only rely on free transfers.
Yes oldun Greaves did well and I remember Brighton very well but remember the players like Berry, Lowe, Kingston, and Greaves first signing? the crocked Malcolm Page on a free from Birmingham no world beaters there like now,yet we all believed maybe it was good there were no computers availbale then for us to rant on otherwise we would have even less fans now.

Lowe left in 77 - over three years before Greaves arrived at Christmas 1980 . Kingston played just one match under Greaves. In 81-82, Berry played just one League game before March (by which time Greaves had left) . Soon after IG’s arrival, he gave a full debut to 18 year old Andy Thomas – and made him a regular in the following season. Keith Cassells thrived under Greaves and he and Mark Wright were soon sold to top flight Southampton (at least we soon got King Trevor in some kind of return). The record books show that Ian Greaves worked wonders in his 12 months at United (before he went to Wolves) . We need a modern day version - someone who had managed in the top flight (with two clubs in IG’s case – taking them both into the top flight)

Ok Manor born but where is Robbins now? Got out at the first offer. If Wilder goes we need stability not bring someone in then a few months down the road start looking again. I don't think we will get a manager who will work wonders and stay for a reasonable period, and looking at the available list of out of work managers there are few to inspire. Still looking for someone to suggest suitable people. Lets face it we won't be paying compensation to any other club for a reasonable manager and backroom staff. Remember reading in the not to distant past posts from those down the road "in Paolo we trust" ha ha ha when the going got tough and he couldn't spend what he wanted he spat his dummy out and ran off into the sunset, WE can't afford that type of manager Oxford is a difficult job for anyone, no money to spend, the majority of players who have no heart for the fight or have enough ambition to succeed so if we get rid of all the players previously mentioned who's is left and who will come in are there enough quality players who want to succeed at Oxford?

I have a bad feeling about tonight Current situation reminds me of the dark days before non league when we got a 6 goal stuffing by Yeovil before we disappeared into the Conference. I hope I'm wrong but Wilder offers me little hope nor does the team.

Southstandupper wrote:
Ok Manor born but where is Robbins now? Got out at the first offer. If Wilder goes we need stability not bring someone in then a few months down the road start looking again. I don't think we will get a manager who will work wonders and stay for a reasonable period, and looking at the available list of out of work managers there are few to inspire. Still looking for someone to suggest suitable people. Lets face it we won't be paying compensation to any other club for a reasonable manager and backroom staff. Remember reading in the not to distant past posts from those down the road "in Paolo we trust" ha ha ha when the going got tough and he couldn't spend what he wanted he spat his dummy out and ran off into the sunset, WE can't afford that type of manager Oxford is a difficult job for anyone, no money to spend, the majority of players who have no heart for the fight or have enough ambition to succeed so if we get rid of all the players previously mentioned who's is left and who will come in are there enough quality players who want to succeed at Oxford?

There are dozens and dozens of suitable people (we could all name many which would be widely agreed on) - it ain't rocket science to be a little bit better than CW has been these last 12 months!

McClaren can't speak English - that might help!!

Today I watched the channel 5 programme "Bieng Liverpool". An eye opener and excelent documentry. As I was watching I couldn't help but think of our present situation. How the posative attitude , especially from the home grown talent in Jamie Carrigher and Steven Gerrard, came over as genuine love and resect for their club and the fans. I recomend it if channel 5 have an I-player
Now i know we are a million miles from liverpool in football ability terms but
If only we had players of that mindset at Oxford. Once we did in Joey Beachamp and others. But now, as has been said they do not seem to have the stomach for a push to the playoffs.
Most genuine fans would run through a brick wall for the club. We need players with that same comittment.
As I have posted on another thread (the Oxford v York mathch report) youth is the only way long term.
Sadly I do not have the answer short term.