Ukip 'job destroyer', says Miliband

Herald Series: Ukip leader Nigel Farage has criticised recent comments made against his party Ukip leader Nigel Farage has criticised recent comments made against his party

Labour leader Ed Miliband has launched a broadside at the UK Independence Party, claiming that its policies would "destroy jobs, our health service and basic rights".

Mr Miliband's comments, in an article for the Daily Mirror, amount to his most direct assault yet on Ukip and will be seen by some as an indication of concern that Nigel Farage's party may outpoll Labour to claim first place in elections to the European Parliament on May 22.

A poll last weekend put Ukip on 31% for the Euro-elections, ahead of Labour on 28% with the Tories in third on 19%. Former Miliband adviser Lord Glasman told the Sunday Times that Labour voters are defecting to Ukip because the party has become too "middle class".

But Mr Miliband dismissed Mr Farage's claim to represent the interests of working people.

"Now we have Ukip and Nigel Farage pretending that they are the real champion of hard-working people," wrote the Labour leader.

"This is from a politician who likes to boast he is the only one 'keeping the flame of Thatcherism live'. And the truth is that Ukip's policies towards working people are more Thatcherite than Lady Thatcher herself.

"His party promises higher taxes for working families and huge giveaways for the rich. He wants bankers' bonuses to be bigger, while risking 3.5 million jobs by pulling out of the EU and scrapping basic rights at work like maternity or sick pay. One of his MEPs has even claimed 'the very existence of the NHS stifles competition' and his party wants to impose charges for visiting a GP."

Mr Miliband said: "I have a clear message for Ukip and Mr Farage: you cannot claim to be a party for working people when you would destroy jobs, our health service, and basic rights.

"There is only one party which truly understands the cost-of-living crisis and will take the action required to make hard-working Britain better off - Labour."

Mr Farage has accused the mainstream parties of trying to "browbeat" voters into abandoning Ukip, after the party was accused by a cross-party group of aping far-right tactics and attracting extremists to its cause.

Labour former minister Barbara Roche - who chairs the Migration Matters Trust with a Tory MP and Liberal Democrat peer - said the party was guilty of "a form of 'Euracism'".

"They are deploying the same language and tactics used by openly racist parties like the BNP, but instead of targeting migrants from Africa and Asia they are targeting migrants from within the EU," she said.

But Mr Farage compared the charge to former Prime Minister Gordon Brown's description of a voter as "bigoted" during the 2010 general election campaign.

"I am really sorry that millions of people who have decided to vote Ukip next month now find themselves accused by the political establishment of supporting racism," he said.

"This is like the incident between Gordon Brown and Gillian Duffy as the last general election writ large: this time it is not merely one person being slandered by one establishment party, but huge numbers of decent British people under attack, and all three Westminster parties levelling the charge of racism and bigotry."

Ukip was now "recognised as a threat to the entire establishment" and the three main parties were ganging up and "slinging mud", said the Ukip leader.

Mr Farage's party announced that it has begun action to expel two members, after an internal investigation found evidence of links to far-right groups.

One of the men was discovered to have been a member of the British National Party from 2005-2010, the second to have been a donor to the English Defence League.

A spokesman said: "UKIP is a non-racist, non-sectarian party and we are determined to uphold those values. Part of that process is maintaining vigilance against the possibility of infiltration either on an organised or individual basis by those who do not subscribe to our values."

The men have not been identified by the party as they still have the right of an appeal in writing to Ukip's national executive committee.

A series of controversies over offensive comments made by candidates and supporters and a stark anti-EU immigration poster campaign have failed to dent Ukip's soaring poll ratings which have put it on course to top the national poll.

Would-be councillor Andre Lampitt was suspended hours after featuring in an election broadcast for expressing "repellent" racist and anti-Islamic views on social media.

Another candidate, William Henwood, resigned his membership of Ukip today after the party said it was "mutually agreed this would be the best course". He sparked fury by saying comedian Lenny Henry "should emigrate to a black country".

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2:45pm Tue 29 Apr 14

MrBenggo says...

Now that the slurs are coming thick and fast,Farage knows he is getting some where,and he had my vote before all this.
Now that the slurs are coming thick and fast,Farage knows he is getting some where,and he had my vote before all this. MrBenggo
  • Score: 6

3:21pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Mike Roland says...

He should be much more concerned about the ridiculous comments which have been made by his own party members. Other than racist slurs such as the repugnant remarks made on Lenny Henry, together with no end of popularist jabber on the EU and immigration, Ukip has little to say anyway.
He should be much more concerned about the ridiculous comments which have been made by his own party members. Other than racist slurs such as the repugnant remarks made on Lenny Henry, together with no end of popularist jabber on the EU and immigration, Ukip has little to say anyway. Mike Roland
  • Score: -8

3:29pm Tue 29 Apr 14

MrBenggo says...

Vote Conservative and it is just promises,vote Labour and they don't want any restriction on people coming here as poll amongst Labour MP's resulted in over 60% wanting no restriction on immigration,vote Liberal and same as Labour,keep 'em coming in.
At least UKIP are speaking against unlimited immigration,and out of the EU.
Vote Conservative and it is just promises,vote Labour and they don't want any restriction on people coming here as poll amongst Labour MP's resulted in over 60% wanting no restriction on immigration,vote Liberal and same as Labour,keep 'em coming in. At least UKIP are speaking against unlimited immigration,and out of the EU. MrBenggo
  • Score: 8

4:08pm Tue 29 Apr 14

pauls55 says...

If Ukip expel every member with closet racist and bigoted views they'd be no-one left and then maybe the rest of us can have a sensible, factual, common-sense driven discussion on Europe at last.
If Ukip expel every member with closet racist and bigoted views they'd be no-one left and then maybe the rest of us can have a sensible, factual, common-sense driven discussion on Europe at last. pauls55
  • Score: 1

4:24pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Jimport says...

MrBenggo wrote:
Vote Conservative and it is just promises,vote Labour and they don't want any restriction on people coming here as poll amongst Labour MP's resulted in over 60% wanting no restriction on immigration,vote Liberal and same as Labour,keep 'em coming in.
At least UKIP are speaking against unlimited immigration,and out of the EU.
But that only makes sense if you are of the opinion that immigration is overall a bad thing. Not everyone agrees with that - it is not a fact, it is an opinion. Also, the Tories DO want restrictions, Theresa May has been lobbying for over a year for restrictions specific to the UK. The whole UKIP agenda just has an aroma of paranoid isolationism.
[quote][p][bold]MrBenggo[/bold] wrote: Vote Conservative and it is just promises,vote Labour and they don't want any restriction on people coming here as poll amongst Labour MP's resulted in over 60% wanting no restriction on immigration,vote Liberal and same as Labour,keep 'em coming in. At least UKIP are speaking against unlimited immigration,and out of the EU.[/p][/quote]But that only makes sense if you are of the opinion that immigration is overall a bad thing. Not everyone agrees with that - it is not a fact, it is an opinion. Also, the Tories DO want restrictions, Theresa May has been lobbying for over a year for restrictions specific to the UK. The whole UKIP agenda just has an aroma of paranoid isolationism. Jimport
  • Score: -7

4:46pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Excluded again says...

If UKIP continue to expel members at this rate, they will be holding their next party conference in a telephone box.
If UKIP continue to expel members at this rate, they will be holding their next party conference in a telephone box. Excluded again
  • Score: 0

4:51pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Erebus Black says...

Jimport wrote:
MrBenggo wrote:
Vote Conservative and it is just promises,vote Labour and they don't want any restriction on people coming here as poll amongst Labour MP's resulted in over 60% wanting no restriction on immigration,vote Liberal and same as Labour,keep 'em coming in.
At least UKIP are speaking against unlimited immigration,and out of the EU.
But that only makes sense if you are of the opinion that immigration is overall a bad thing. Not everyone agrees with that - it is not a fact, it is an opinion. Also, the Tories DO want restrictions, Theresa May has been lobbying for over a year for restrictions specific to the UK. The whole UKIP agenda just has an aroma of paranoid isolationism.
The Conservative party has a racist immigration policy just like Labour and the Lib Dems. EU migrants can come here no problem but skilled non-EU migrants from countries like India, Pakistan and China have to jump through hoops just because they aren't from the EU.
UKIP's policy purely discriminates on the basis of skill and merit rather than nationality.

Sure if you believe in absolute open borders then disagree with this. But I'd hope you criticise the other 3 parties for their immigration policy too.
[quote][p][bold]Jimport[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrBenggo[/bold] wrote: Vote Conservative and it is just promises,vote Labour and they don't want any restriction on people coming here as poll amongst Labour MP's resulted in over 60% wanting no restriction on immigration,vote Liberal and same as Labour,keep 'em coming in. At least UKIP are speaking against unlimited immigration,and out of the EU.[/p][/quote]But that only makes sense if you are of the opinion that immigration is overall a bad thing. Not everyone agrees with that - it is not a fact, it is an opinion. Also, the Tories DO want restrictions, Theresa May has been lobbying for over a year for restrictions specific to the UK. The whole UKIP agenda just has an aroma of paranoid isolationism.[/p][/quote]The Conservative party has a racist immigration policy just like Labour and the Lib Dems. EU migrants can come here no problem but skilled non-EU migrants from countries like India, Pakistan and China have to jump through hoops just because they aren't from the EU. UKIP's policy purely discriminates on the basis of skill and merit rather than nationality. Sure if you believe in absolute open borders then disagree with this. But I'd hope you criticise the other 3 parties for their immigration policy too. Erebus Black
  • Score: 0

7:47pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Pobinr says...

Racists judge a group of people from a small sample of them then claim they are all the same!
That's exactly what UKIP bashers are doing here.
I am a member of UKIP. I haven't met any racists in it yet.
The chairperson of our branch is an Asian lady from Jamaica.
The party is open to all. Apart from racists!
When people are racists they are kicked out.

Here's who fruitcakes vote for.
You know, the kind of people that like to get the opposite of what they actually wanted to get!

Liberal Democrats - The party of liberty and democracy who are anti having the liberty to decide on Europe via a referendum and anti democracy in being EUrophiles.
But that's the opposite of liberty and democracy isn't it?
LibDems the Party for people that don't believe in liberty & democracy

Labour - Anti refendum, pro EU and pro immigration.
Result = Mass immigration of cheap labour driving down wages, taking jobs, taking homes, making more traffic congestion and making slumlords and low wage payers richer.
But that's the opposite of Socialism isn't it?
Labour the party for people that don't believe in Labour principles!

Tories - The party of small government most of whom are EUrophiles meaning gigantic bloated centralised EU government that's ballooning out of control.
But that's the opposite of Conservatism isn't it?
Conservatives in reality the party for People that need to vote UKIP if they are conservative

Vote for the three main parties and get the opposite of what you want.
FibDemLabCon - The ideal parties for fruitcakes.
Racists judge a group of people from a small sample of them then claim they are all the same! That's exactly what UKIP bashers are doing here. I am a member of UKIP. I haven't met any racists in it yet. The chairperson of our branch is an Asian lady from Jamaica. The party is open to all. Apart from racists! When people are racists they are kicked out. Here's who fruitcakes vote for. You know, the kind of people that like to get the opposite of what they actually wanted to get! Liberal Democrats - The party of liberty and democracy who are anti having the liberty to decide on Europe via a referendum and anti democracy in being EUrophiles. But that's the opposite of liberty and democracy isn't it? LibDems the Party for people that don't believe in liberty & democracy Labour - Anti refendum, pro EU and pro immigration. Result = Mass immigration of cheap labour driving down wages, taking jobs, taking homes, making more traffic congestion and making slumlords and low wage payers richer. But that's the opposite of Socialism isn't it? Labour the party for people that don't believe in Labour principles! Tories - The party of small government most of whom are EUrophiles meaning gigantic bloated centralised EU government that's ballooning out of control. But that's the opposite of Conservatism isn't it? Conservatives in reality the party for People that need to vote UKIP if they are conservative Vote for the three main parties and get the opposite of what you want. FibDemLabCon - The ideal parties for fruitcakes. Pobinr
  • Score: 2

7:53pm Tue 29 Apr 14

welshmen says...

Immigration is mostly a total disaster for this country, I can't believe some of the comments on here. are you people blind, are you a boss who loves the cheap Labour from the EU, does your worthless business rely on cheap foreign labour to keep your business afloat, all I see are some selfish bigoted drivel in favour of Foreigners in stead of your own people,(that's if it's your own People or you an Immigrant), the Natives of your Country.

£148 Billion loss on Immigration since 1995 according to the report by Migration Watch last week and the London University £109 Billion Loss, no party bar one is going to stop immigration, not even UKIP, they want 50K over net, so if 200K leave Ukip will allow 250K from anywhere to come here, but they must have a skill we can use.

LIB/LAB/CON will have unlimited numbers of immigrants still allowed, no matter if they are Terrorists, because there is NO check, they can still come here and threaten to wipe us out in favour on the Religion of Peace and all it's Radical hangers on Chaudary Muslim Brotherhood etc who were welcomed already in London with Office accommodation to plan the rest of their take over of our Country with the full backing of our Police, our Police listen to their evil rants and threats to kill us and they do nothing.

The Police will arrest you if you quote a Sir Winston Churchill passage from his book the River Wars, then the Police will lock you up, this is how far this Country has died, thanks MAINLY to the LABOUR VOTER, who are sadly lacking in the brain department, Saint Tony Blair must have had a dream because now your money grabbing X leader is now , NOW he states that Islam is a threat to the West, after letting uncontrolled numbers in to our Country for 13 years the penny has finally dropped, priceless, clueless, stupid, idiot similar to his voters, well I hope your all proud, don't forget to let your kids know how you helped the demise of our Country.... finally The only Legal British Party that will stop all immigration until further notice and much more to correct this Country is the British National Party....you have all been led to believe by the media and the BBC that the BNP are Fascist's, Racists, Nazi's, but it's LIB/LAB/CON that have that title, they stop free speech, they stop debating Immigration and Islam with the famous PC laws, Racist, Isalmaphobia, all made to silence debate, when are you going to wake up, when there's a Green Flag with Crescent flying over Westminster....then it will be to late....
Immigration is mostly a total disaster for this country, I can't believe some of the comments on here. are you people blind, are you a boss who loves the cheap Labour from the EU, does your worthless business rely on cheap foreign labour to keep your business afloat, all I see are some selfish bigoted drivel in favour of Foreigners in stead of your own people,(that's if it's your own People or you an Immigrant), the Natives of your Country. £148 Billion loss on Immigration since 1995 according to the report by Migration Watch last week and the London University £109 Billion Loss, no party bar one is going to stop immigration, not even UKIP, they want 50K over net, so if 200K leave Ukip will allow 250K from anywhere to come here, but they must have a skill we can use. LIB/LAB/CON will have unlimited numbers of immigrants still allowed, no matter if they are Terrorists, because there is NO check, they can still come here and threaten to wipe us out in favour on the Religion of Peace and all it's Radical hangers on Chaudary Muslim Brotherhood etc who were welcomed already in London with Office accommodation to plan the rest of their take over of our Country with the full backing of our Police, our Police listen to their evil rants and threats to kill us and they do nothing. The Police will arrest you if you quote a Sir Winston Churchill passage from his book the River Wars, then the Police will lock you up, this is how far this Country has died, thanks MAINLY to the LABOUR VOTER, who are sadly lacking in the brain department, Saint Tony Blair must have had a dream because now your money grabbing X leader is now , NOW he states that Islam is a threat to the West, after letting uncontrolled numbers in to our Country for 13 years the penny has finally dropped, priceless, clueless, stupid, idiot similar to his voters, well I hope your all proud, don't forget to let your kids know how you helped the demise of our Country.... finally The only Legal British Party that will stop all immigration until further notice and much more to correct this Country is the British National Party....you have all been led to believe by the media and the BBC that the BNP are Fascist's, Racists, Nazi's, but it's LIB/LAB/CON that have that title, they stop free speech, they stop debating Immigration and Islam with the famous PC laws, Racist, Isalmaphobia, all made to silence debate, when are you going to wake up, when there's a Green Flag with Crescent flying over Westminster....then it will be to late.... welshmen
  • Score: 9

7:57pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Pobinr says...

EU immigration policy is racist.
Talented people with IT skills etc from places like India that we need here, find they are unable to get visas to come here becuase immigration quotas are used up on our massive over supply of unskilled East Europeans coming here to run car washes & serve coffee on Min wage!
EU immigration policy is racist. Talented people with IT skills etc from places like India that we need here, find they are unable to get visas to come here becuase immigration quotas are used up on our massive over supply of unskilled East Europeans coming here to run car washes & serve coffee on Min wage! Pobinr
  • Score: 0

8:11pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Pobinr says...

Liberals, ah liberals!

My great uncle was Irish & another was Scottish. I'm also 1/16th German Jew.

Also eleven sixteenths of my genetic make up comes from Bongo Bongo land when my ancestors left there 100,000 years ago.

Frankly I'm shocked that the only reason you xenophobes & racists accept me is because I was born in England.

I believe the EU should expand to include all nations & the population of the entire world should be allowed to come here to either operate car washes or serve coffee on min wage so that Starbucks can avoid even more corporation tax.

That way we won't be a 'Johnny no mates' or even 'no friends' Britain.

It means school bully Putin, that awful friend of Nigel Fuhrer won't pick on us.

Think of it. No more wars because we will be ruled firmly but efficiently from one centralised point.
You see you can only have wars if there’s two or more points trying to rule you.

If we concrete over our land to build homes for the entire world it will be a
tremendous boost to our building industry & our concrete industry. Yours & mine & our children's future.
It will boost our economy & we'll all be richer. It will also protect our jobs. Yours & mine.

Think of the boost in demand for car washes the coffee they serve thanks to population increase.
It means more & more jobs. More & more wealth. More & more boost to our economy.
We’ll all be richer. You and me.

We could boost our employment, create jobs by having factories making replicas of all the trees that we cut down to clear for land for building homes for all these new people that speak exiting different languages to us that enrich our culture & quality of life.

Then sell those fake trees to the ever increasing population of immigrants. Yes incredible isn’t it. You guessed it. Yet more wealth from making replicas of what we cut down. You & me.

What about our security?
Yours & mine & our children's?
Well we are now safer thanks to European arrest warrants. We can be snatched by foreign police forces without that old fashoned extradition process. Sorry did I say 'foreign'. I meant European. But the advantage is or course any nasty people we let in, becuase we don't discriminate of course, can be snatched too.

And it makes more employment for our legal system. You know those funny men in frocks & wigs. They now have counter parts in Strazburg that can overrule them on laws we invented and suggested to them in the first. It's all about harmonisation and trust me it makes more work and employment & thus wealth for you and me.

CO2 emissions & transport costs from China would reduce because all the Chinese sweat shops will be here helping to make you & me richer. I everyone lived here. Think of it. A world with almost nil transport costs. It will help protect the future of our planet for our children and grandchildren.

But don’t be too downbeat. It needn’t stop there. There are 100 billion galaxies, with a 100 billion stars in each. There must be 100 billion planets. Perhaps a billion with intelligent life.

If we have a bold vision for the future for you & me. For us. We can build 3D cities 10,000 miles high to accommodate the beings from all those planets.

The more aliens that come here the richer we become. You & I.

We will welcome all of them. Even the ones like Daleks that want to kill us. In the end our compassion will win them over. They will learn to love us whether they want to or not.

It’s a bold vision I know. But it’s the only way we can compete in a universe market place.

If we have enough Poles here we can move mountains, uh or enough aliens of course. I don't discriminate. We're all equal. Any differences are an illusion.

We have nothing to fear from aliens by being xenophobes like some people who are foolish enough to resent over crowding and house shortages. Remember the more houses we build and the more of England, uh sorry Britain, uh the country of Britain, uh state of Britain & of course Scotland, though we don't know yet whether they will be part of that, then the richer we become.

But anyway, the richer we become because that creates jobs. Employment for you and me. For our children too. Let's not forget them who we see them sometimes when they're not at battery children farm nurseries being breast fed by Polish mums with milk to spare. Or at school of course.

The Poles, uh or aliens will be so much better off here they can send money back home to pay for care for all the elderly left alone there. Where even poorer Poles back home, uh or aliens will be paid to care for them. Though I shouldn't call where they come from as their 'home.' That would be to discriminate. We all live in one huge community. It's called the world.

So you see everyone gains from mass upheaval.


In a couple of years time I myself am even prepared to undergo the upheaval of moving to the centrepoint I spoke of where clever people live including my wife. People clever enough to be paid a large salaries becuase they are wise enough to lead you and me. Where they can shape our children's future. Yours and mine. We're together in all of this.

They are called EU Commisioners. Many of whom are what they call 'Communists' who were our friends and allies in our fight not to be ruled by Germany via the Nazis, but via the EU instead.

They are such caring people they want to see us all equal. No rich and no poor people. Apart from them being rich of course. But then they deserve to be rich. Becuase they serve you & me so well with their wisdom. We need to be grateful to them for that.

Unlike that nasty Nigel Fuhrer who for some selfish reason doesn't want to share out our hard earned money or perhaps hard earned massive debt to all the poor of the world.

We should also be grateful to all those that came here 75 years ago & fought beside us to help make their countries fit places to in live so they could come and live here instead.

They enrich our high streets with their horsemeat sausage shops and their thousands of different varieties of Vodka. They've brought our high streets to life. They've helped stimulate our health economy with the new hepatobiliary liver units treating Vodkaholics in our hospitals providing more employment & therefore wealth for local nurses that trickles down to their Polish Polishers. You see we're all richer.

No longer just pasty, poundsaver & charity shops. Our high streets are now punctuated with Vodka shops & horsemeat sausage shops. It enriches us. Our way of life and our society. For us. For you and me and for our children.
Oh & the man that owns that pie shop in Shirley High Street in Southampton is making lots of money selling his pies to Polish people. So you see everyone benefits from more & more & more & more & more & more & more & more & more & more & more & more people being here.
Becuase the more people, the more pies he sells. It's simple economics. Or economics for simpletons.

Of course it's not just Poles. There's Estonians, Lithuanains, Hungarians, Bulgarians, Romanians, Czechs and Slovakians. More and more people to come here to earn money to send home to care for their elderly. So here's even more employment created back where they come from creating jobs for old people with no family left in their country to look after them.

More and more different languages. More and more translators - more and more employment and more and more wealth for us. You and me. But please notice I said 'Czechs' and 'Slovakians'. Not 'Czechoslovakians'.

You see they are now two separate free independant nations. Free to be ruled separately from the same centre point. Just like perhaps the Scottish will be one day.

It's just the same with translators. More translaters in our schools & courts of course means more employment and more wealth for you and me. Think how much wealthier we will become when we have all the languages of the universe here. More translators. More employment. More wealth for you and for me and for our children. It all helps shape our children's future.

That hard of hearing Gran or perhaps elderly Mum or Dad you have in a rest home. Hardly able to understand the accent of their Polish carers. Well that stimulates their brains & enriches their lives too.
More work potentally for translators. Yet more jobs. Yet more wealth. It's all gain gain & more gain.

If any aliens don't have voice boxes like we do. And you have to remember we aren't all the same. Though we shouldn't show any reaction to that of course. Then they can learn to speak almost without words by sheer force body language alone like me & like this chap does > https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=3rXMvpPj
onc

Trust me. Follow me. Vote for me & I will bring you wealth & a beautiful harmonious world where we all love any living creature whatever it is & whatever it thinks.

More freedom, more democracy, more liberty, more choice, more and more EUro harmonized diversity, & more & more centralised control by wise men with the wisdom to know how to manage our freedom & liberty.... uh and women of course in equal numbers with our best interests at heart.

Our future, that's yours and mine and our children's means everything to them.

We benefit Immigrants & they benefit us. We will put their young into care in nurseries as soon as they exit their mothers wombs and they will learn how to love our playstations.

Yours sincerely

Nick Clegg
Liberals, ah liberals! My great uncle was Irish & another was Scottish. I'm also 1/16th German Jew. Also eleven sixteenths of my genetic make up comes from Bongo Bongo land when my ancestors left there 100,000 years ago. Frankly I'm shocked that the only reason you xenophobes & racists accept me is because I was born in England. I believe the EU should expand to include all nations & the population of the entire world should be allowed to come here to either operate car washes or serve coffee on min wage so that Starbucks can avoid even more corporation tax. That way we won't be a 'Johnny no mates' or even 'no friends' Britain. It means school bully Putin, that awful friend of Nigel Fuhrer won't pick on us. Think of it. No more wars because we will be ruled firmly but efficiently from one centralised point. You see you can only have wars if there’s two or more points trying to rule you. If we concrete over our land to build homes for the entire world it will be a tremendous boost to our building industry & our concrete industry. Yours & mine & our children's future. It will boost our economy & we'll all be richer. It will also protect our jobs. Yours & mine. Think of the boost in demand for car washes the coffee they serve thanks to population increase. It means more & more jobs. More & more wealth. More & more boost to our economy. We’ll all be richer. You and me. We could boost our employment, create jobs by having factories making replicas of all the trees that we cut down to clear for land for building homes for all these new people that speak exiting different languages to us that enrich our culture & quality of life. Then sell those fake trees to the ever increasing population of immigrants. Yes incredible isn’t it. You guessed it. Yet more wealth from making replicas of what we cut down. You & me. What about our security? Yours & mine & our children's? Well we are now safer thanks to European arrest warrants. We can be snatched by foreign police forces without that old fashoned extradition process. Sorry did I say 'foreign'. I meant European. But the advantage is or course any nasty people we let in, becuase we don't discriminate of course, can be snatched too. And it makes more employment for our legal system. You know those funny men in frocks & wigs. They now have counter parts in Strazburg that can overrule them on laws we invented and suggested to them in the first. It's all about harmonisation and trust me it makes more work and employment & thus wealth for you and me. CO2 emissions & transport costs from China would reduce because all the Chinese sweat shops will be here helping to make you & me richer. I everyone lived here. Think of it. A world with almost nil transport costs. It will help protect the future of our planet for our children and grandchildren. But don’t be too downbeat. It needn’t stop there. There are 100 billion galaxies, with a 100 billion stars in each. There must be 100 billion planets. Perhaps a billion with intelligent life. If we have a bold vision for the future for you & me. For us. We can build 3D cities 10,000 miles high to accommodate the beings from all those planets. The more aliens that come here the richer we become. You & I. We will welcome all of them. Even the ones like Daleks that want to kill us. In the end our compassion will win them over. They will learn to love us whether they want to or not. It’s a bold vision I know. But it’s the only way we can compete in a universe market place. If we have enough Poles here we can move mountains, uh or enough aliens of course. I don't discriminate. We're all equal. Any differences are an illusion. We have nothing to fear from aliens by being xenophobes like some people who are foolish enough to resent over crowding and house shortages. Remember the more houses we build and the more of England, uh sorry Britain, uh the country of Britain, uh state of Britain & of course Scotland, though we don't know yet whether they will be part of that, then the richer we become. But anyway, the richer we become because that creates jobs. Employment for you and me. For our children too. Let's not forget them who we see them sometimes when they're not at battery children farm nurseries being breast fed by Polish mums with milk to spare. Or at school of course. The Poles, uh or aliens will be so much better off here they can send money back home to pay for care for all the elderly left alone there. Where even poorer Poles back home, uh or aliens will be paid to care for them. Though I shouldn't call where they come from as their 'home.' That would be to discriminate. We all live in one huge community. It's called the world. So you see everyone gains from mass upheaval. In a couple of years time I myself am even prepared to undergo the upheaval of moving to the centrepoint I spoke of where clever people live including my wife. People clever enough to be paid a large salaries becuase they are wise enough to lead you and me. Where they can shape our children's future. Yours and mine. We're together in all of this. They are called EU Commisioners. Many of whom are what they call 'Communists' who were our friends and allies in our fight not to be ruled by Germany via the Nazis, but via the EU instead. They are such caring people they want to see us all equal. No rich and no poor people. Apart from them being rich of course. But then they deserve to be rich. Becuase they serve you & me so well with their wisdom. We need to be grateful to them for that. Unlike that nasty Nigel Fuhrer who for some selfish reason doesn't want to share out our hard earned money or perhaps hard earned massive debt to all the poor of the world. We should also be grateful to all those that came here 75 years ago & fought beside us to help make their countries fit places to in live so they could come and live here instead. They enrich our high streets with their horsemeat sausage shops and their thousands of different varieties of Vodka. They've brought our high streets to life. They've helped stimulate our health economy with the new hepatobiliary liver units treating Vodkaholics in our hospitals providing more employment & therefore wealth for local nurses that trickles down to their Polish Polishers. You see we're all richer. No longer just pasty, poundsaver & charity shops. Our high streets are now punctuated with Vodka shops & horsemeat sausage shops. It enriches us. Our way of life and our society. For us. For you and me and for our children. Oh & the man that owns that pie shop in Shirley High Street in Southampton is making lots of money selling his pies to Polish people. So you see everyone benefits from more & more & more & more & more & more & more & more & more & more & more & more people being here. Becuase the more people, the more pies he sells. It's simple economics. Or economics for simpletons. Of course it's not just Poles. There's Estonians, Lithuanains, Hungarians, Bulgarians, Romanians, Czechs and Slovakians. More and more people to come here to earn money to send home to care for their elderly. So here's even more employment created back where they come from creating jobs for old people with no family left in their country to look after them. More and more different languages. More and more translators - more and more employment and more and more wealth for us. You and me. But please notice I said 'Czechs' and 'Slovakians'. Not 'Czechoslovakians'. You see they are now two separate free independant nations. Free to be ruled separately from the same centre point. Just like perhaps the Scottish will be one day. It's just the same with translators. More translaters in our schools & courts of course means more employment and more wealth for you and me. Think how much wealthier we will become when we have all the languages of the universe here. More translators. More employment. More wealth for you and for me and for our children. It all helps shape our children's future. That hard of hearing Gran or perhaps elderly Mum or Dad you have in a rest home. Hardly able to understand the accent of their Polish carers. Well that stimulates their brains & enriches their lives too. More work potentally for translators. Yet more jobs. Yet more wealth. It's all gain gain & more gain. If any aliens don't have voice boxes like we do. And you have to remember we aren't all the same. Though we shouldn't show any reaction to that of course. Then they can learn to speak almost without words by sheer force body language alone like me & like this chap does > https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=3rXMvpPj onc Trust me. Follow me. Vote for me & I will bring you wealth & a beautiful harmonious world where we all love any living creature whatever it is & whatever it thinks. More freedom, more democracy, more liberty, more choice, more and more EUro harmonized diversity, & more & more centralised control by wise men with the wisdom to know how to manage our freedom & liberty.... uh and women of course in equal numbers with our best interests at heart. Our future, that's yours and mine and our children's means everything to them. We benefit Immigrants & they benefit us. We will put their young into care in nurseries as soon as they exit their mothers wombs and they will learn how to love our playstations. Yours sincerely Nick Clegg [ And I want you to know that I really do mean that most sincerely I really do] Pobinr
  • Score: 1

8:19pm Tue 29 Apr 14

welshmen says...

Pobinr wrote:
Liberals, ah liberals!

My great uncle was Irish & another was Scottish. I'm also 1/16th German Jew.

Also eleven sixteenths of my genetic make up comes from Bongo Bongo land when my ancestors left there 100,000 years ago.

Frankly I'm shocked that the only reason you xenophobes & racists accept me is because I was born in England.

I believe the EU should expand to include all nations & the population of the entire world should be allowed to come here to either operate car washes or serve coffee on min wage so that Starbucks can avoid even more corporation tax.

That way we won't be a 'Johnny no mates' or even 'no friends' Britain.

It means school bully Putin, that awful friend of Nigel Fuhrer won't pick on us.

Think of it. No more wars because we will be ruled firmly but efficiently from one centralised point.
You see you can only have wars if there’s two or more points trying to rule you.

If we concrete over our land to build homes for the entire world it will be a
tremendous boost to our building industry & our concrete industry. Yours & mine & our children's future.
It will boost our economy & we'll all be richer. It will also protect our jobs. Yours & mine.

Think of the boost in demand for car washes the coffee they serve thanks to population increase.
It means more & more jobs. More & more wealth. More & more boost to our economy.
We’ll all be richer. You and me.

We could boost our employment, create jobs by having factories making replicas of all the trees that we cut down to clear for land for building homes for all these new people that speak exiting different languages to us that enrich our culture & quality of life.

Then sell those fake trees to the ever increasing population of immigrants. Yes incredible isn’t it. You guessed it. Yet more wealth from making replicas of what we cut down. You & me.

What about our security?
Yours & mine & our children's?
Well we are now safer thanks to European arrest warrants. We can be snatched by foreign police forces without that old fashoned extradition process. Sorry did I say 'foreign'. I meant European. But the advantage is or course any nasty people we let in, becuase we don't discriminate of course, can be snatched too.

And it makes more employment for our legal system. You know those funny men in frocks & wigs. They now have counter parts in Strazburg that can overrule them on laws we invented and suggested to them in the first. It's all about harmonisation and trust me it makes more work and employment & thus wealth for you and me.

CO2 emissions & transport costs from China would reduce because all the Chinese sweat shops will be here helping to make you & me richer. I everyone lived here. Think of it. A world with almost nil transport costs. It will help protect the future of our planet for our children and grandchildren.

But don’t be too downbeat. It needn’t stop there. There are 100 billion galaxies, with a 100 billion stars in each. There must be 100 billion planets. Perhaps a billion with intelligent life.

If we have a bold vision for the future for you & me. For us. We can build 3D cities 10,000 miles high to accommodate the beings from all those planets.

The more aliens that come here the richer we become. You & I.

We will welcome all of them. Even the ones like Daleks that want to kill us. In the end our compassion will win them over. They will learn to love us whether they want to or not.

It’s a bold vision I know. But it’s the only way we can compete in a universe market place.

If we have enough Poles here we can move mountains, uh or enough aliens of course. I don't discriminate. We're all equal. Any differences are an illusion.

We have nothing to fear from aliens by being xenophobes like some people who are foolish enough to resent over crowding and house shortages. Remember the more houses we build and the more of England, uh sorry Britain, uh the country of Britain, uh state of Britain & of course Scotland, though we don't know yet whether they will be part of that, then the richer we become.

But anyway, the richer we become because that creates jobs. Employment for you and me. For our children too. Let's not forget them who we see them sometimes when they're not at battery children farm nurseries being breast fed by Polish mums with milk to spare. Or at school of course.

The Poles, uh or aliens will be so much better off here they can send money back home to pay for care for all the elderly left alone there. Where even poorer Poles back home, uh or aliens will be paid to care for them. Though I shouldn't call where they come from as their 'home.' That would be to discriminate. We all live in one huge community. It's called the world.

So you see everyone gains from mass upheaval.


In a couple of years time I myself am even prepared to undergo the upheaval of moving to the centrepoint I spoke of where clever people live including my wife. People clever enough to be paid a large salaries becuase they are wise enough to lead you and me. Where they can shape our children's future. Yours and mine. We're together in all of this.

They are called EU Commisioners. Many of whom are what they call 'Communists' who were our friends and allies in our fight not to be ruled by Germany via the Nazis, but via the EU instead.

They are such caring people they want to see us all equal. No rich and no poor people. Apart from them being rich of course. But then they deserve to be rich. Becuase they serve you & me so well with their wisdom. We need to be grateful to them for that.

Unlike that nasty Nigel Fuhrer who for some selfish reason doesn't want to share out our hard earned money or perhaps hard earned massive debt to all the poor of the world.

We should also be grateful to all those that came here 75 years ago & fought beside us to help make their countries fit places to in live so they could come and live here instead.

They enrich our high streets with their horsemeat sausage shops and their thousands of different varieties of Vodka. They've brought our high streets to life. They've helped stimulate our health economy with the new hepatobiliary liver units treating Vodkaholics in our hospitals providing more employment & therefore wealth for local nurses that trickles down to their Polish Polishers. You see we're all richer.

No longer just pasty, poundsaver & charity shops. Our high streets are now punctuated with Vodka shops & horsemeat sausage shops. It enriches us. Our way of life and our society. For us. For you and me and for our children.
Oh & the man that owns that pie shop in Shirley High Street in Southampton is making lots of money selling his pies to Polish people. So you see everyone benefits from more & more & more & more & more & more & more & more & more & more & more & more people being here.
Becuase the more people, the more pies he sells. It's simple economics. Or economics for simpletons.

Of course it's not just Poles. There's Estonians, Lithuanains, Hungarians, Bulgarians, Romanians, Czechs and Slovakians. More and more people to come here to earn money to send home to care for their elderly. So here's even more employment created back where they come from creating jobs for old people with no family left in their country to look after them.

More and more different languages. More and more translators - more and more employment and more and more wealth for us. You and me. But please notice I said 'Czechs' and 'Slovakians'. Not 'Czechoslovakians'.

You see they are now two separate free independant nations. Free to be ruled separately from the same centre point. Just like perhaps the Scottish will be one day.

It's just the same with translators. More translaters in our schools & courts of course means more employment and more wealth for you and me. Think how much wealthier we will become when we have all the languages of the universe here. More translators. More employment. More wealth for you and for me and for our children. It all helps shape our children's future.

That hard of hearing Gran or perhaps elderly Mum or Dad you have in a rest home. Hardly able to understand the accent of their Polish carers. Well that stimulates their brains & enriches their lives too.
More work potentally for translators. Yet more jobs. Yet more wealth. It's all gain gain & more gain.

If any aliens don't have voice boxes like we do. And you have to remember we aren't all the same. Though we shouldn't show any reaction to that of course. Then they can learn to speak almost without words by sheer force body language alone like me & like this chap does > https://www.youtube.

com/watch?v=3rXMvpPj

onc

Trust me. Follow me. Vote for me & I will bring you wealth & a beautiful harmonious world where we all love any living creature whatever it is & whatever it thinks.

More freedom, more democracy, more liberty, more choice, more and more EUro harmonized diversity, & more & more centralised control by wise men with the wisdom to know how to manage our freedom & liberty.... uh and women of course in equal numbers with our best interests at heart.

Our future, that's yours and mine and our children's means everything to them.

We benefit Immigrants & they benefit us. We will put their young into care in nurseries as soon as they exit their mothers wombs and they will learn how to love our playstations.

Yours sincerely

Nick Clegg
Well said....
[quote][p][bold]Pobinr[/bold] wrote: Liberals, ah liberals! My great uncle was Irish & another was Scottish. I'm also 1/16th German Jew. Also eleven sixteenths of my genetic make up comes from Bongo Bongo land when my ancestors left there 100,000 years ago. Frankly I'm shocked that the only reason you xenophobes & racists accept me is because I was born in England. I believe the EU should expand to include all nations & the population of the entire world should be allowed to come here to either operate car washes or serve coffee on min wage so that Starbucks can avoid even more corporation tax. That way we won't be a 'Johnny no mates' or even 'no friends' Britain. It means school bully Putin, that awful friend of Nigel Fuhrer won't pick on us. Think of it. No more wars because we will be ruled firmly but efficiently from one centralised point. You see you can only have wars if there’s two or more points trying to rule you. If we concrete over our land to build homes for the entire world it will be a tremendous boost to our building industry & our concrete industry. Yours & mine & our children's future. It will boost our economy & we'll all be richer. It will also protect our jobs. Yours & mine. Think of the boost in demand for car washes the coffee they serve thanks to population increase. It means more & more jobs. More & more wealth. More & more boost to our economy. We’ll all be richer. You and me. We could boost our employment, create jobs by having factories making replicas of all the trees that we cut down to clear for land for building homes for all these new people that speak exiting different languages to us that enrich our culture & quality of life. Then sell those fake trees to the ever increasing population of immigrants. Yes incredible isn’t it. You guessed it. Yet more wealth from making replicas of what we cut down. You & me. What about our security? Yours & mine & our children's? Well we are now safer thanks to European arrest warrants. We can be snatched by foreign police forces without that old fashoned extradition process. Sorry did I say 'foreign'. I meant European. But the advantage is or course any nasty people we let in, becuase we don't discriminate of course, can be snatched too. And it makes more employment for our legal system. You know those funny men in frocks & wigs. They now have counter parts in Strazburg that can overrule them on laws we invented and suggested to them in the first. It's all about harmonisation and trust me it makes more work and employment & thus wealth for you and me. CO2 emissions & transport costs from China would reduce because all the Chinese sweat shops will be here helping to make you & me richer. I everyone lived here. Think of it. A world with almost nil transport costs. It will help protect the future of our planet for our children and grandchildren. But don’t be too downbeat. It needn’t stop there. There are 100 billion galaxies, with a 100 billion stars in each. There must be 100 billion planets. Perhaps a billion with intelligent life. If we have a bold vision for the future for you & me. For us. We can build 3D cities 10,000 miles high to accommodate the beings from all those planets. The more aliens that come here the richer we become. You & I. We will welcome all of them. Even the ones like Daleks that want to kill us. In the end our compassion will win them over. They will learn to love us whether they want to or not. It’s a bold vision I know. But it’s the only way we can compete in a universe market place. If we have enough Poles here we can move mountains, uh or enough aliens of course. I don't discriminate. We're all equal. Any differences are an illusion. We have nothing to fear from aliens by being xenophobes like some people who are foolish enough to resent over crowding and house shortages. Remember the more houses we build and the more of England, uh sorry Britain, uh the country of Britain, uh state of Britain & of course Scotland, though we don't know yet whether they will be part of that, then the richer we become. But anyway, the richer we become because that creates jobs. Employment for you and me. For our children too. Let's not forget them who we see them sometimes when they're not at battery children farm nurseries being breast fed by Polish mums with milk to spare. Or at school of course. The Poles, uh or aliens will be so much better off here they can send money back home to pay for care for all the elderly left alone there. Where even poorer Poles back home, uh or aliens will be paid to care for them. Though I shouldn't call where they come from as their 'home.' That would be to discriminate. We all live in one huge community. It's called the world. So you see everyone gains from mass upheaval. In a couple of years time I myself am even prepared to undergo the upheaval of moving to the centrepoint I spoke of where clever people live including my wife. People clever enough to be paid a large salaries becuase they are wise enough to lead you and me. Where they can shape our children's future. Yours and mine. We're together in all of this. They are called EU Commisioners. Many of whom are what they call 'Communists' who were our friends and allies in our fight not to be ruled by Germany via the Nazis, but via the EU instead. They are such caring people they want to see us all equal. No rich and no poor people. Apart from them being rich of course. But then they deserve to be rich. Becuase they serve you & me so well with their wisdom. We need to be grateful to them for that. Unlike that nasty Nigel Fuhrer who for some selfish reason doesn't want to share out our hard earned money or perhaps hard earned massive debt to all the poor of the world. We should also be grateful to all those that came here 75 years ago & fought beside us to help make their countries fit places to in live so they could come and live here instead. They enrich our high streets with their horsemeat sausage shops and their thousands of different varieties of Vodka. They've brought our high streets to life. They've helped stimulate our health economy with the new hepatobiliary liver units treating Vodkaholics in our hospitals providing more employment & therefore wealth for local nurses that trickles down to their Polish Polishers. You see we're all richer. No longer just pasty, poundsaver & charity shops. Our high streets are now punctuated with Vodka shops & horsemeat sausage shops. It enriches us. Our way of life and our society. For us. For you and me and for our children. Oh & the man that owns that pie shop in Shirley High Street in Southampton is making lots of money selling his pies to Polish people. So you see everyone benefits from more & more & more & more & more & more & more & more & more & more & more & more people being here. Becuase the more people, the more pies he sells. It's simple economics. Or economics for simpletons. Of course it's not just Poles. There's Estonians, Lithuanains, Hungarians, Bulgarians, Romanians, Czechs and Slovakians. More and more people to come here to earn money to send home to care for their elderly. So here's even more employment created back where they come from creating jobs for old people with no family left in their country to look after them. More and more different languages. More and more translators - more and more employment and more and more wealth for us. You and me. But please notice I said 'Czechs' and 'Slovakians'. Not 'Czechoslovakians'. You see they are now two separate free independant nations. Free to be ruled separately from the same centre point. Just like perhaps the Scottish will be one day. It's just the same with translators. More translaters in our schools & courts of course means more employment and more wealth for you and me. Think how much wealthier we will become when we have all the languages of the universe here. More translators. More employment. More wealth for you and for me and for our children. It all helps shape our children's future. That hard of hearing Gran or perhaps elderly Mum or Dad you have in a rest home. Hardly able to understand the accent of their Polish carers. Well that stimulates their brains & enriches their lives too. More work potentally for translators. Yet more jobs. Yet more wealth. It's all gain gain & more gain. If any aliens don't have voice boxes like we do. And you have to remember we aren't all the same. Though we shouldn't show any reaction to that of course. Then they can learn to speak almost without words by sheer force body language alone like me & like this chap does > https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=3rXMvpPj onc Trust me. Follow me. Vote for me & I will bring you wealth & a beautiful harmonious world where we all love any living creature whatever it is & whatever it thinks. More freedom, more democracy, more liberty, more choice, more and more EUro harmonized diversity, & more & more centralised control by wise men with the wisdom to know how to manage our freedom & liberty.... uh and women of course in equal numbers with our best interests at heart. Our future, that's yours and mine and our children's means everything to them. We benefit Immigrants & they benefit us. We will put their young into care in nurseries as soon as they exit their mothers wombs and they will learn how to love our playstations. Yours sincerely Nick Clegg [ And I want you to know that I really do mean that most sincerely I really do][/p][/quote]Well said.... welshmen
  • Score: 0

8:30pm Tue 29 Apr 14

welshmen says...

Pobinr wrote:
EU immigration policy is racist.
Talented people with IT skills etc from places like India that we need here, find they are unable to get visas to come here becuase immigration quotas are used up on our massive over supply of unskilled East Europeans coming here to run car washes & serve coffee on Min wage!
We need to train our people, we have them here in abundance just have to be taught, India has the most third world immigrants in our Country, enough is enough, after all we are a Christian based white European Country and I and Millions of British Natives would like it to resort back to the sixties mix of population, we have too many cultures here so many we are losing ours in the mix, you can't change Africa into a white country or India, China or Japan, so why do we have to except Millions of foreigners....You might be an Indian and want your people here, well I'am British born and Bred of generations and I don't want them here....
[quote][p][bold]Pobinr[/bold] wrote: EU immigration policy is racist. Talented people with IT skills etc from places like India that we need here, find they are unable to get visas to come here becuase immigration quotas are used up on our massive over supply of unskilled East Europeans coming here to run car washes & serve coffee on Min wage![/p][/quote]We need to train our people, we have them here in abundance just have to be taught, India has the most third world immigrants in our Country, enough is enough, after all we are a Christian based white European Country and I and Millions of British Natives would like it to resort back to the sixties mix of population, we have too many cultures here so many we are losing ours in the mix, you can't change Africa into a white country or India, China or Japan, so why do we have to except Millions of foreigners....You might be an Indian and want your people here, well I'am British born and Bred of generations and I don't want them here.... welshmen
  • Score: 2

8:43pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Pobinr says...

I agree in part. We're full. I was just saying about EU immigration policy is racist.
But there will always be mgration & immigration. We can keepo net migration very low. Just make sure the people we do let in have special talents we need like NZ, Canada, uSA & Aus do
I agree in part. We're full. I was just saying about EU immigration policy is racist. But there will always be mgration & immigration. We can keepo net migration very low. Just make sure the people we do let in have special talents we need like NZ, Canada, uSA & Aus do Pobinr
  • Score: -2

9:45pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Chippy70 says...

For starters the comment from Lenny bloody Henry saying the BBC should employ more black people is racist in itself surely? Surely people should be employed on their merit and skills not the colour of their skin? Its Henry that is rasict. Or does it not count when its the other way round?
For starters the comment from Lenny bloody Henry saying the BBC should employ more black people is racist in itself surely? Surely people should be employed on their merit and skills not the colour of their skin? Its Henry that is rasict. Or does it not count when its the other way round? Chippy70
  • Score: 3

12:03am Wed 30 Apr 14

Pobinr says...

I was listening BBC London radio the other day.
There was a black chap asking black people to ring in to share their thoughts on the effect on black people of being in the EU!
Imagine if they asked for white people's opinion on the effect of EU membership on white people.
It wouldn't be permitted. Yet in parts of London whites are now the minority!
The Libero fascist thought police make me sick!
BBC = Brussels Broadcasting Corporation.
I was listening BBC London radio the other day. There was a black chap asking black people to ring in to share their thoughts on the effect on black people of being in the EU! Imagine if they asked for white people's opinion on the effect of EU membership on white people. It wouldn't be permitted. Yet in parts of London whites are now the minority! The Libero fascist thought police make me sick! BBC = Brussels Broadcasting Corporation. Pobinr
  • Score: 3

8:09am Wed 30 Apr 14

Katie Re-Registered says...

The thing that is destroying jobs is capitalism itself. We live in an age when firms, in their insatiable greed for more and more profit are constantly downsizing, by attempting to employ the lowest number of people working for them at the lowest wage (or via government schemes none at all) for the greatest amount of profit. Is this what Karl Marx prophecised when he predicted that un-controlled capitalism will inevitably dig its own grave?
The thing that is destroying jobs is capitalism itself. We live in an age when firms, in their insatiable greed for more and more profit are constantly downsizing, by attempting to employ the lowest number of people working for them at the lowest wage (or via government schemes none at all) for the greatest amount of profit. Is this what Karl Marx prophecised when he predicted that un-controlled capitalism will inevitably dig its own grave? Katie Re-Registered
  • Score: 3

8:11am Wed 30 Apr 14

Pobinr says...

Katie Re-Registered wrote:
The thing that is destroying jobs is capitalism itself. We live in an age when firms, in their insatiable greed for more and more profit are constantly downsizing, by attempting to employ the lowest number of people working for them at the lowest wage (or via government schemes none at all) for the greatest amount of profit. Is this what Karl Marx prophecised when he predicted that un-controlled capitalism will inevitably dig its own grave?
Capitalism is moderated via min wage. Better that than Communism.
[quote][p][bold]Katie Re-Registered[/bold] wrote: The thing that is destroying jobs is capitalism itself. We live in an age when firms, in their insatiable greed for more and more profit are constantly downsizing, by attempting to employ the lowest number of people working for them at the lowest wage (or via government schemes none at all) for the greatest amount of profit. Is this what Karl Marx prophecised when he predicted that un-controlled capitalism will inevitably dig its own grave?[/p][/quote]Capitalism is moderated via min wage. Better that than Communism. Pobinr
  • Score: 0

8:14am Wed 30 Apr 14

Pobinr says...

'Ukip 'job destroyer', says Miliband'

No. Labour are job destroyers.
Anti referendum, pro EU and pro immigration.
Result = Mass immigration of cheap labour driving down wages, taking jobs, taking homes, making more traffic congestion and making slumlords & low wage payers richer.
But that's the opposite of Socialism isn't it?
Labour the party for people that don't believe in Labour principles!
'Ukip 'job destroyer', says Miliband' No. Labour are job destroyers. Anti referendum, pro EU and pro immigration. Result = Mass immigration of cheap labour driving down wages, taking jobs, taking homes, making more traffic congestion and making slumlords & low wage payers richer. But that's the opposite of Socialism isn't it? Labour the party for people that don't believe in Labour principles! Pobinr
  • Score: 0

8:16am Wed 30 Apr 14

Katie Re-Registered says...

If the Equal Pay Act were reformed and widened to outlaw unequal pay for equal work then it wouldn't be worth employers choosing to hire and exploit cheap immigrant labour. Whilst it is only illegal if you pay workers unequally for doing exactly the same job on the grounds of sex, employers will continue to take advantage of this because they know they can employ immigrants for far less than non-immigrants as it's still 100 per cent legal to pay workers unequally for doing the same jobs as their colleagues on the grounds of nationality and race.
If the Equal Pay Act were reformed and widened to outlaw unequal pay for equal work then it wouldn't be worth employers choosing to hire and exploit cheap immigrant labour. Whilst it is only illegal if you pay workers unequally for doing exactly the same job on the grounds of sex, employers will continue to take advantage of this because they know they can employ immigrants for far less than non-immigrants as it's still 100 per cent legal to pay workers unequally for doing the same jobs as their colleagues on the grounds of nationality and race. Katie Re-Registered
  • Score: 1

8:46am Wed 30 Apr 14

MSG says...

UKIP is the party of the UK working class. Labour, as it has shown in government, is the party of Immigrants, the EU and internationalism and hates the UK working class, thats why it keeps the UK working class poor !.
UKIP is the party of the UK working class. Labour, as it has shown in government, is the party of Immigrants, the EU and internationalism and hates the UK working class, thats why it keeps the UK working class poor !. MSG
  • Score: 4

8:58am Wed 30 Apr 14

pauls55 says...

The UKIP leaflet dropped through my door went straight into the bin where it may just be re-cycled into a pay cheque for my friendly Polish plumber neighbour who bought the house from a Brit now working in Germany. Now wouldn't that be appropriate?
The UKIP leaflet dropped through my door went straight into the bin where it may just be re-cycled into a pay cheque for my friendly Polish plumber neighbour who bought the house from a Brit now working in Germany. Now wouldn't that be appropriate? pauls55
  • Score: 1

10:20am Wed 30 Apr 14

Pobinr says...

pauls55 wrote:
The UKIP leaflet dropped through my door went straight into the bin where it may just be re-cycled into a pay cheque for my friendly Polish plumber neighbour who bought the house from a Brit now working in Germany. Now wouldn't that be appropriate?
Net migration is what counts.
I don''t see the signicance a relatively few Brits working temporarily in Germany. UKIP do not say zero immigration do they?
But we need to take control now. Due to open borders we have 3.5m pop increase here in last 10 years & that's what they admit to. It's probably more.
I can only assume you like house shortages & thus higher prices & rents, more traffic congestion, classes full of translators, longer NHS queues etc etc?
As regards friendly poles does that make those propblems any less bad if the people causing them are friendly ?
That friendly Pole Plumber probably lives in an HMO & so is able to undercut Brit plumber with a mortgage to pay!
Then sends half the money back to Poland!

I can only assume the people like you that think mass immigration is wonderful are fortunate enough to live in areas that haven't been flooded in the last 5 years with East Europeans.
I live in Shirley. I just rang to make a doctors appointment. I got 'Sorry not possible
today.'
Never used to be like that!
I resent this kind of thing. And why shouldn't I be able to resent such things without being called a racist?I resent housing shortages.
I resent the social housing queue now being 8+ years in Southampton.
I resent more traffic congestion etc etc
More noise, more pollution

Even immigrants are tired of immigration!
Asians no longer send their children to the local school St Marks in Southampton, because they want their children to learn English rather than Polish, Romanian, Hungarian etc!
They have classes where only 4 children are English!
My friend wouldn't send his child there. He paid for her to go to St Winnifreds private school instead and he's half Polish!
His father came here from Poland in the 60's

Southampton social housing queue is now 8+ years
Every other name on Southampton Maternity unit cots is East European.
Locals can't get their kids into their nearest school.
Even if they can it's full of kids that can't speak English properly.
The General hospital has had to ask for more funding for the hepatobiliary liver service due to Vodka usage by our friends from the East.
.
The main road I live on has got busier & noisier.
I was speaking to Pole the other day at
11am. I asked him how come you're not at work?
He replied he 'Couldn't get any more chef work here'
I said will you be going back to Poland then?
He replied 'No I steel beetar off here' !
On the dole !

I bought a 2 flat that had had 6 Lithuanians living in.
The new working class living like this with almost no overheads so undercutting wages for locals & driving down living standards for people with mortgages to pay & making slumlords & min wage employers richer. The less densely countries they come from are being further depopulated!

EU = Capitalist's wet dream brought to you courtesy of the left.
[quote][p][bold]pauls55[/bold] wrote: The UKIP leaflet dropped through my door went straight into the bin where it may just be re-cycled into a pay cheque for my friendly Polish plumber neighbour who bought the house from a Brit now working in Germany. Now wouldn't that be appropriate?[/p][/quote]Net migration is what counts. I don''t see the signicance a relatively few Brits working temporarily in Germany. UKIP do not say zero immigration do they? But we need to take control now. Due to open borders we have 3.5m pop increase here in last 10 years & that's what they admit to. It's probably more. I can only assume you like house shortages & thus higher prices & rents, more traffic congestion, classes full of translators, longer NHS queues etc etc? As regards friendly poles does that make those propblems any less bad if the people causing them are friendly ? That friendly Pole Plumber probably lives in an HMO & so is able to undercut Brit plumber with a mortgage to pay! Then sends half the money back to Poland! I can only assume the people like you that think mass immigration is wonderful are fortunate enough to live in areas that haven't been flooded in the last 5 years with East Europeans. I live in Shirley. I just rang to make a doctors appointment. I got 'Sorry not possible today.' Never used to be like that! I resent this kind of thing. And why shouldn't I be able to resent such things without being called a racist?I resent housing shortages. I resent the social housing queue now being 8+ years in Southampton. I resent more traffic congestion etc etc More noise, more pollution Even immigrants are tired of immigration! Asians no longer send their children to the local school St Marks in Southampton, because they want their children to learn English rather than Polish, Romanian, Hungarian etc! They have classes where only 4 children are English! My friend wouldn't send his child there. He paid for her to go to St Winnifreds private school instead and he's half Polish! His father came here from Poland in the 60's Southampton social housing queue is now 8+ years Every other name on Southampton Maternity unit cots is East European. Locals can't get their kids into their nearest school. Even if they can it's full of kids that can't speak English properly. The General hospital has had to ask for more funding for the hepatobiliary liver service due to Vodka usage by our friends from the East. . The main road I live on has got busier & noisier. I was speaking to Pole the other day at 11am. I asked him how come you're not at work? He replied he 'Couldn't get any more chef work here' I said will you be going back to Poland then? He replied 'No I steel beetar off here' ! On the dole ! I bought a 2 flat that had had 6 Lithuanians living in. The new working class living like this with almost no overheads so undercutting wages for locals & driving down living standards for people with mortgages to pay & making slumlords & min wage employers richer. The less densely countries they come from are being further depopulated! EU = Capitalist's wet dream brought to you courtesy of the left. Pobinr
  • Score: 3

11:16am Wed 30 Apr 14

pauls55 says...

Pobinr wrote:
pauls55 wrote: The UKIP leaflet dropped through my door went straight into the bin where it may just be re-cycled into a pay cheque for my friendly Polish plumber neighbour who bought the house from a Brit now working in Germany. Now wouldn't that be appropriate?
Net migration is what counts. I don''t see the signicance a relatively few Brits working temporarily in Germany. UKIP do not say zero immigration do they? But we need to take control now. Due to open borders we have 3.5m pop increase here in last 10 years & that's what they admit to. It's probably more. I can only assume you like house shortages & thus higher prices & rents, more traffic congestion, classes full of translators, longer NHS queues etc etc? As regards friendly poles does that make those propblems any less bad if the people causing them are friendly ? That friendly Pole Plumber probably lives in an HMO & so is able to undercut Brit plumber with a mortgage to pay! Then sends half the money back to Poland! I can only assume the people like you that think mass immigration is wonderful are fortunate enough to live in areas that haven't been flooded in the last 5 years with East Europeans. I live in Shirley. I just rang to make a doctors appointment. I got 'Sorry not possible today.' Never used to be like that! I resent this kind of thing. And why shouldn't I be able to resent such things without being called a racist?I resent housing shortages. I resent the social housing queue now being 8+ years in Southampton. I resent more traffic congestion etc etc More noise, more pollution Even immigrants are tired of immigration! Asians no longer send their children to the local school St Marks in Southampton, because they want their children to learn English rather than Polish, Romanian, Hungarian etc! They have classes where only 4 children are English! My friend wouldn't send his child there. He paid for her to go to St Winnifreds private school instead and he's half Polish! His father came here from Poland in the 60's Southampton social housing queue is now 8+ years Every other name on Southampton Maternity unit cots is East European. Locals can't get their kids into their nearest school. Even if they can it's full of kids that can't speak English properly. The General hospital has had to ask for more funding for the hepatobiliary liver service due to Vodka usage by our friends from the East. . The main road I live on has got busier & noisier. I was speaking to Pole the other day at 11am. I asked him how come you're not at work? He replied he 'Couldn't get any more chef work here' I said will you be going back to Poland then? He replied 'No I steel beetar off here' ! On the dole ! I bought a 2 flat that had had 6 Lithuanians living in. The new working class living like this with almost no overheads so undercutting wages for locals & driving down living standards for people with mortgages to pay & making slumlords & min wage employers richer. The less densely countries they come from are being further depopulated! EU = Capitalist's wet dream brought to you courtesy of the left.
Calm down, I was only trying to a light-hearted joke. I'm quite sure all the Spanish citizens who have also been invaded by 1million Brits feel the same way as you do. You might like to have a look at this evidence at http://euobserver.co
m/social/123066 which says compared to the 2.3 million EU citizens in the UK, which includes people who came after Poland and nine other states joined the Union in 2004, British consular authorities estimate that 2.2 million Britons live in the other 26 EU countries, excluding Croatia, which joined in 2013. If they all come back in Ukip's wonderland, will they drive down all our living standards too?
[quote][p][bold]Pobinr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pauls55[/bold] wrote: The UKIP leaflet dropped through my door went straight into the bin where it may just be re-cycled into a pay cheque for my friendly Polish plumber neighbour who bought the house from a Brit now working in Germany. Now wouldn't that be appropriate?[/p][/quote]Net migration is what counts. I don''t see the signicance a relatively few Brits working temporarily in Germany. UKIP do not say zero immigration do they? But we need to take control now. Due to open borders we have 3.5m pop increase here in last 10 years & that's what they admit to. It's probably more. I can only assume you like house shortages & thus higher prices & rents, more traffic congestion, classes full of translators, longer NHS queues etc etc? As regards friendly poles does that make those propblems any less bad if the people causing them are friendly ? That friendly Pole Plumber probably lives in an HMO & so is able to undercut Brit plumber with a mortgage to pay! Then sends half the money back to Poland! I can only assume the people like you that think mass immigration is wonderful are fortunate enough to live in areas that haven't been flooded in the last 5 years with East Europeans. I live in Shirley. I just rang to make a doctors appointment. I got 'Sorry not possible today.' Never used to be like that! I resent this kind of thing. And why shouldn't I be able to resent such things without being called a racist?I resent housing shortages. I resent the social housing queue now being 8+ years in Southampton. I resent more traffic congestion etc etc More noise, more pollution Even immigrants are tired of immigration! Asians no longer send their children to the local school St Marks in Southampton, because they want their children to learn English rather than Polish, Romanian, Hungarian etc! They have classes where only 4 children are English! My friend wouldn't send his child there. He paid for her to go to St Winnifreds private school instead and he's half Polish! His father came here from Poland in the 60's Southampton social housing queue is now 8+ years Every other name on Southampton Maternity unit cots is East European. Locals can't get their kids into their nearest school. Even if they can it's full of kids that can't speak English properly. The General hospital has had to ask for more funding for the hepatobiliary liver service due to Vodka usage by our friends from the East. . The main road I live on has got busier & noisier. I was speaking to Pole the other day at 11am. I asked him how come you're not at work? He replied he 'Couldn't get any more chef work here' I said will you be going back to Poland then? He replied 'No I steel beetar off here' ! On the dole ! I bought a 2 flat that had had 6 Lithuanians living in. The new working class living like this with almost no overheads so undercutting wages for locals & driving down living standards for people with mortgages to pay & making slumlords & min wage employers richer. The less densely countries they come from are being further depopulated! EU = Capitalist's wet dream brought to you courtesy of the left.[/p][/quote]Calm down, I was only trying to a light-hearted joke. I'm quite sure all the Spanish citizens who have also been invaded by 1million Brits feel the same way as you do. You might like to have a look at this evidence at http://euobserver.co m/social/123066 which says compared to the 2.3 million EU citizens in the UK, which includes people who came after Poland and nine other states joined the Union in 2004, British consular authorities estimate that 2.2 million Britons live in the other 26 EU countries, excluding Croatia, which joined in 2013. If they all come back in Ukip's wonderland, will they drive down all our living standards too? pauls55
  • Score: -1

11:19am Wed 30 Apr 14

welshmen says...

The Quicker we get all the European Unions workers out of our Country the better off we will all be, we managed before we got invaded will do again, it's only the Liberal loveies who want our Country for the Europeans and Third Worlders, well I don't, thanks for nothing go back to your own Country, as for Lennny Henry Black Racist, I think we need not see Asians or Black people in Emerdale, I don't see any in the Country Villages I visit, yet the PC brigade make sure you do, East Enders yes, Corrie yes, Emerdale no....Make it look REAL not fantasised .

Sillyband's Party, Remember, Saint Tony Blair encouraged MASS immigration to get rid of the Britishness in the UK, or the English "a race not worth saving" according to the changed Jack stupid Straw MP, If you vote for LIB/LAB/CON in my oppinion your a traitor to the British people, you might as well addition for the part of William Joyce ( Lord Hawhaw), another British hater who when caught was hung, never mind the past mistakes you made voting for them change now for our Countries future, UKIP not LIB/LAB/CON, Ukip are the change and the Future for the next few years...We have experienced the damage and still are that was done by the three stupid Parties, give Ukip a chance....
The Quicker we get all the European Unions workers out of our Country the better off we will all be, we managed before we got invaded will do again, it's only the Liberal loveies who want our Country for the Europeans and Third Worlders, well I don't, thanks for nothing go back to your own Country, as for Lennny Henry Black Racist, I think we need not see Asians or Black people in Emerdale, I don't see any in the Country Villages I visit, yet the PC brigade make sure you do, East Enders yes, Corrie yes, Emerdale no....Make it look REAL not fantasised . Sillyband's Party, Remember, Saint Tony Blair encouraged MASS immigration to get rid of the Britishness in the UK, or the English "a race not worth saving" according to the changed Jack stupid Straw MP, If you vote for LIB/LAB/CON in my oppinion your a traitor to the British people, you might as well addition for the part of William Joyce ( Lord Hawhaw), another British hater who when caught was hung, never mind the past mistakes you made voting for them change now for our Countries future, UKIP not LIB/LAB/CON, Ukip are the change and the Future for the next few years...We have experienced the damage and still are that was done by the three stupid Parties, give Ukip a chance.... welshmen
  • Score: 6

11:59am Wed 30 Apr 14

Pobinr says...

Milliband must be desperate.
He's arguing black is white or flat is round when he says - 'UKIP job destroyer'
No Labour were job destroyers letting in millions of immigrants to take jobs.
Yet Gordon Brown said - 'British Jobs for British workers'
How can you tell if a politician is lying?
Their lips are moving!
Milliband must be desperate. He's arguing black is white or flat is round when he says - 'UKIP job destroyer' No Labour were job destroyers letting in millions of immigrants to take jobs. Yet Gordon Brown said - 'British Jobs for British workers' How can you tell if a politician is lying? Their lips are moving! Pobinr
  • Score: 5

5:03pm Wed 30 Apr 14

cosmick says...

welshmen wrote:
The Quicker we get all the European Unions workers out of our Country the better off we will all be, we managed before we got invaded will do again, it's only the Liberal loveies who want our Country for the Europeans and Third Worlders, well I don't, thanks for nothing go back to your own Country, as for Lennny Henry Black Racist, I think we need not see Asians or Black people in Emerdale, I don't see any in the Country Villages I visit, yet the PC brigade make sure you do, East Enders yes, Corrie yes, Emerdale no....Make it look REAL not fantasised .

Sillyband's Party, Remember, Saint Tony Blair encouraged MASS immigration to get rid of the Britishness in the UK, or the English "a race not worth saving" according to the changed Jack stupid Straw MP, If you vote for LIB/LAB/CON in my oppinion your a traitor to the British people, you might as well addition for the part of William Joyce ( Lord Hawhaw), another British hater who when caught was hung, never mind the past mistakes you made voting for them change now for our Countries future, UKIP not LIB/LAB/CON, Ukip are the change and the Future for the next few years...We have experienced the damage and still are that was done by the three stupid Parties, give Ukip a chance....
The best thing about the chap in EMMERDALE is they do a story line where every tart fancies him.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: The Quicker we get all the European Unions workers out of our Country the better off we will all be, we managed before we got invaded will do again, it's only the Liberal loveies who want our Country for the Europeans and Third Worlders, well I don't, thanks for nothing go back to your own Country, as for Lennny Henry Black Racist, I think we need not see Asians or Black people in Emerdale, I don't see any in the Country Villages I visit, yet the PC brigade make sure you do, East Enders yes, Corrie yes, Emerdale no....Make it look REAL not fantasised . Sillyband's Party, Remember, Saint Tony Blair encouraged MASS immigration to get rid of the Britishness in the UK, or the English "a race not worth saving" according to the changed Jack stupid Straw MP, If you vote for LIB/LAB/CON in my oppinion your a traitor to the British people, you might as well addition for the part of William Joyce ( Lord Hawhaw), another British hater who when caught was hung, never mind the past mistakes you made voting for them change now for our Countries future, UKIP not LIB/LAB/CON, Ukip are the change and the Future for the next few years...We have experienced the damage and still are that was done by the three stupid Parties, give Ukip a chance....[/p][/quote]The best thing about the chap in EMMERDALE is they do a story line where every tart fancies him. cosmick
  • Score: 1
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