Players in Falklands banner stunt

Herald Series: San Carlos in the Falkland Islands San Carlos in the Falkland Islands

Argentina's football team have posed behind a banner claiming that the Falkland Islands belong to the South American country ahead of a World Cup warm-up match in Buenos Aires.

The team displayed the message apparently in support of the country's claims over the sovereignty of the islands in the South Atlantic, which are a British Overseas Territory.

In April Argentina accused Britain of provocative behaviour by planning to carry out military exercises in the Falkland Islands.

Despite repeated diplomatic clashes over the territory since President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner took power in Argentina in 2007, islanders voted by 1,513 to three in favour of remaining British in a referendum last year, which Prime Minister David Cameron said "could not have sent a clearer message".

Argentina beat Slovenia 2-0, with goals from Lionel Messi and Ricardo Alvarez.

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8:01am Sun 8 Jun 14

spider666 says...

We won,you didn't It's british --- End of
We won,you didn't It's british --- End of spider666
  • Score: 15

9:10am Sun 8 Jun 14

The Six Million Dollar Man* says...

Only just and it took a lot of lives, in the process.
So while your waving the red white and blue spare a thought for all the spilled blood out there.
There is plenty of claret on Goose green, so instead of getting all riled up about it, raise a glass of claret to the boys and those who still bear the scars.
Where you there then mate?
Only just and it took a lot of lives, in the process. So while your waving the red white and blue spare a thought for all the spilled blood out there. There is plenty of claret on Goose green, so instead of getting all riled up about it, raise a glass of claret to the boys and those who still bear the scars. Where you there then mate? The Six Million Dollar Man*
  • Score: 2

9:10am Sun 8 Jun 14

Katie Re-Registered says...

"Despite repeated diplomatic clashes over the territory since President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner took power in Argentina in 2007, islanders voted by 1,513 to three in favour of remaining British in a referendum last year, which Prime Minister David Cameron said "could not have sent a clearer message"."

Hmm...double standards - not much! Cameron was only just the other day telling Putin off for annexing parts of Ukraine with majority Russian populations who voted in a referendum to be part of Russia yet he's now doing exactly the same. Isn't that a bit hypocritical?

Moreover, whilst I wouldn't have been on the Argentinean side in 1982 when the islands faced the prospect of being ruled by a repressive military dictatorship, I actually think that the islanders would now be better of under the more enlightened regime of Kirchner which, unlike the reactionary UK, has freedom of expression of gender identity guaranteed as one of its laws. I really do hope the Argentineans win this one and tbh - dare I say it - if their troops took the islands and even occupied Westminster tomorrow I'd see them more as liberators akin to the D-Day veterans who freed Europe from Nazi and Fascist control. Viva Argentina!:)
"Despite repeated diplomatic clashes over the territory since President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner took power in Argentina in 2007, islanders voted by 1,513 to three in favour of remaining British in a referendum last year, which Prime Minister David Cameron said "could not have sent a clearer message"." Hmm...double standards - not much! Cameron was only just the other day telling Putin off for annexing parts of Ukraine with majority Russian populations who voted in a referendum to be part of Russia yet he's now doing exactly the same. Isn't that a bit hypocritical? Moreover, whilst I wouldn't have been on the Argentinean side in 1982 when the islands faced the prospect of being ruled by a repressive military dictatorship, I actually think that the islanders would now be better of under the more enlightened regime of Kirchner which, unlike the reactionary UK, has freedom of expression of gender identity guaranteed as one of its laws. I really do hope the Argentineans win this one and tbh - dare I say it - if their troops took the islands and even occupied Westminster tomorrow I'd see them more as liberators akin to the D-Day veterans who freed Europe from Nazi and Fascist control. Viva Argentina!:) Katie Re-Registered
  • Score: -17

9:36am Sun 8 Jun 14

The Six Million Dollar Man* says...

Katie Re-Registered wrote:
"Despite repeated diplomatic clashes over the territory since President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner took power in Argentina in 2007, islanders voted by 1,513 to three in favour of remaining British in a referendum last year, which Prime Minister David Cameron said "could not have sent a clearer message"."

Hmm...double standards - not much! Cameron was only just the other day telling Putin off for annexing parts of Ukraine with majority Russian populations who voted in a referendum to be part of Russia yet he's now doing exactly the same. Isn't that a bit hypocritical?

Moreover, whilst I wouldn't have been on the Argentinean side in 1982 when the islands faced the prospect of being ruled by a repressive military dictatorship, I actually think that the islanders would now be better of under the more enlightened regime of Kirchner which, unlike the reactionary UK, has freedom of expression of gender identity guaranteed as one of its laws. I really do hope the Argentineans win this one and tbh - dare I say it - if their troops took the islands and even occupied Westminster tomorrow I'd see them more as liberators akin to the D-Day veterans who freed Europe from Nazi and Fascist control. Viva Argentina!:)
What an utter load of cr*p.
By the way re registered where? I can think of a number of places you might need to be re registered with.
The islands belong to The United Kingdom of Great Britain and not to Miss Aquarius and her hand ball cheating cohorts.
This is what you get when someone with a titled triple barreled surname, takes the reigns of a useless nation and tries to give it some kudos.
They were beaten fair and square in the fight, blood was lost. The islands are ours and the Billions in Oil and Gas down there too.
In the words of the Vulcan bomber, that canned the runway call sign "Foxtrot Oscar", Over and out !
[quote][p][bold]Katie Re-Registered[/bold] wrote: "Despite repeated diplomatic clashes over the territory since President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner took power in Argentina in 2007, islanders voted by 1,513 to three in favour of remaining British in a referendum last year, which Prime Minister David Cameron said "could not have sent a clearer message"." Hmm...double standards - not much! Cameron was only just the other day telling Putin off for annexing parts of Ukraine with majority Russian populations who voted in a referendum to be part of Russia yet he's now doing exactly the same. Isn't that a bit hypocritical? Moreover, whilst I wouldn't have been on the Argentinean side in 1982 when the islands faced the prospect of being ruled by a repressive military dictatorship, I actually think that the islanders would now be better of under the more enlightened regime of Kirchner which, unlike the reactionary UK, has freedom of expression of gender identity guaranteed as one of its laws. I really do hope the Argentineans win this one and tbh - dare I say it - if their troops took the islands and even occupied Westminster tomorrow I'd see them more as liberators akin to the D-Day veterans who freed Europe from Nazi and Fascist control. Viva Argentina!:)[/p][/quote]What an utter load of cr*p. By the way re registered where? I can think of a number of places you might need to be re registered with. The islands belong to The United Kingdom of Great Britain and not to Miss Aquarius and her hand ball cheating cohorts. This is what you get when someone with a titled triple barreled surname, takes the reigns of a useless nation and tries to give it some kudos. They were beaten fair and square in the fight, blood was lost. The islands are ours and the Billions in Oil and Gas down there too. In the words of the Vulcan bomber, that canned the runway call sign "Foxtrot Oscar", Over and out ! The Six Million Dollar Man*
  • Score: 12

10:03am Sun 8 Jun 14

spider666 says...

The Six Million Dollar Man* wrote:
Only just and it took a lot of lives, in the process.
So while your waving the red white and blue spare a thought for all the spilled blood out there.
There is plenty of claret on Goose green, so instead of getting all riled up about it, raise a glass of claret to the boys and those who still bear the scars.
Where you there then mate?
I know mate yes I was there,not goose green itself but Ajax Bay and then did a follow up tour 2 years later in 84 -I know the sacrifices made although I was lucky and did not lose anyone I personally worked with.
[quote][p][bold]The Six Million Dollar Man*[/bold] wrote: Only just and it took a lot of lives, in the process. So while your waving the red white and blue spare a thought for all the spilled blood out there. There is plenty of claret on Goose green, so instead of getting all riled up about it, raise a glass of claret to the boys and those who still bear the scars. Where you there then mate?[/p][/quote]I know mate yes I was there,not goose green itself but Ajax Bay and then did a follow up tour 2 years later in 84 -I know the sacrifices made although I was lucky and did not lose anyone I personally worked with. spider666
  • Score: 5

11:54am Sun 8 Jun 14

rogerjwise says...

Prehaps,someone could step forward and explain the plight of the people of Diego Garcia.
Prehaps,someone could step forward and explain the plight of the people of Diego Garcia. rogerjwise
  • Score: -1

12:49pm Sun 8 Jun 14

j bee says...

wonder what we would think if the argies took control of IOM
wonder what we would think if the argies took control of IOM j bee
  • Score: -3

1:17pm Sun 8 Jun 14

DFM6053 says...

j bee wrote:
wonder what we would think if the argies took control of IOM
The Faroe Islands are closer to the UK than the Falklands are to Argentina. The are administered by Denmark and nobody in the UK gives a toss. If IOM had been settled by Spanish speaking people over 180 years ago who had lived there peacefully ever since, we probably wouldn't care about that either.
[quote][p][bold]j bee[/bold] wrote: wonder what we would think if the argies took control of IOM[/p][/quote]The Faroe Islands are closer to the UK than the Falklands are to Argentina. The are administered by Denmark and nobody in the UK gives a toss. If IOM had been settled by Spanish speaking people over 180 years ago who had lived there peacefully ever since, we probably wouldn't care about that either. DFM6053
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1:21pm Sun 8 Jun 14

RM says...

rogerjwise wrote:
Prehaps,someone could step forward and explain the plight of the people of Diego Garcia.
Isn't that something like it's a British terroritory but the native inhabitants have been kicked out so the Yanks can rent it, build a huge air base & route all their illegal 'rendition' flights through & to there? Some of the internet conspiracy pages are claiming that the missing Malaysian flight was hijacked to there & that the passengers are held prisoners there.
[quote][p][bold]rogerjwise[/bold] wrote: Prehaps,someone could step forward and explain the plight of the people of Diego Garcia.[/p][/quote]Isn't that something like it's a British terroritory but the native inhabitants have been kicked out so the Yanks can rent it, build a huge air base & route all their illegal 'rendition' flights through & to there? Some of the internet conspiracy pages are claiming that the missing Malaysian flight was hijacked to there & that the passengers are held prisoners there. RM
  • Score: 0

1:33pm Sun 8 Jun 14

DFM6053 says...

rogerjwise wrote:
Prehaps,someone could step forward and explain the plight of the people of Diego Garcia.
Since you can't be bothered doing it yourself, I will do it for you and then tell you why it is a load of nonsense. The people of Diego Garcia are the Chagossians who are of mixed African, Indian and Malay heritage. They were imported into Diego Garcia as plantation workers in the 1800s. About 2000 of them were removed from Diego Garcia in the late 60s by the UK government to make way for a US military base. They have received compensation for the eviction but have not been allowed back. It was not the UK's finest hour as far as human rights go.

The reason this arguement is a load of nonsense is basically what you are saying is that the Chagossians were treated badly therefore the Falkland Islanders should be treated badly as well.
[quote][p][bold]rogerjwise[/bold] wrote: Prehaps,someone could step forward and explain the plight of the people of Diego Garcia.[/p][/quote]Since you can't be bothered doing it yourself, I will do it for you and then tell you why it is a load of nonsense. The people of Diego Garcia are the Chagossians who are of mixed African, Indian and Malay heritage. They were imported into Diego Garcia as plantation workers in the 1800s. About 2000 of them were removed from Diego Garcia in the late 60s by the UK government to make way for a US military base. They have received compensation for the eviction but have not been allowed back. It was not the UK's finest hour as far as human rights go. The reason this arguement is a load of nonsense is basically what you are saying is that the Chagossians were treated badly therefore the Falkland Islanders should be treated badly as well. DFM6053
  • Score: 2

1:38pm Sun 8 Jun 14

rogerjwise says...

I watched a BBC magazine programme before the conflict erupted,it showed Argentinians visiting the Falkland island by the way of charter flights,to take advantage of the goods and the price of the items.It went onto explain that the distinct possibility of hostilities commencing..
You would have thought that a BBC lunch time show that had prior knowledge of the situation that was boiling under the surface,that a sufficient and appropriate deterrent would have been engaged.
Of the billions of oil and gas, how it will be shared out,
To the armed forces involved in the conflict and their dependants.
To the citizens of the UK selected by UKIP.
To the shareholders and executives of multinational operating in that field.
I watched a BBC magazine programme before the conflict erupted,it showed Argentinians visiting the Falkland island by the way of charter flights,to take advantage of the goods and the price of the items.It went onto explain that the distinct possibility of hostilities commencing.. You would have thought that a BBC lunch time show that had prior knowledge of the situation that was boiling under the surface,that a sufficient and appropriate deterrent would have been engaged. Of the billions of oil and gas, how it will be shared out, To the armed forces involved in the conflict and their dependants. To the citizens of the UK selected by UKIP. To the shareholders and executives of multinational operating in that field. rogerjwise
  • Score: 3

1:39pm Sun 8 Jun 14

Dilligaf2010 says...

I've been to the Falklands, wonderful place, awesome people. I've also read about the history of the Islands, and I can assure you the Argies have as much right to them, as they do to the Isle of Wight.
The inhabitants of Argentina are descended from the Spanish invaders who decided the country was theirs, and here we are years later, similar situation, but this time it's the Falkland Islands and Gibraltar they want.
I've been to the Falklands, wonderful place, awesome people. I've also read about the history of the Islands, and I can assure you the Argies have as much right to them, as they do to the Isle of Wight. The inhabitants of Argentina are descended from the Spanish invaders who decided the country was theirs, and here we are years later, similar situation, but this time it's the Falkland Islands and Gibraltar they want. Dilligaf2010
  • Score: 4

1:50pm Sun 8 Jun 14

Dilligaf2010 says...

Not a lot of people know this, or probably even want to, The Falkland Islands Company, owns the Portsmouth Harbour Ferry Company.
Not a lot of people know this, or probably even want to, The Falkland Islands Company, owns the Portsmouth Harbour Ferry Company. Dilligaf2010
  • Score: 0

2:08pm Sun 8 Jun 14

DFM6053 says...

The reason the Argentinian players go along with this is they all believe in the Malvinas lie which their government brain washes them with as kids. www.youtube.com/watc
h?v=VKkcTpCur7g This cartoon on you tube shows the kind of rubbish they teach them. They still think they sunk HMS Invincible.

For anyone who knows anything about the Falklands and it's history you won't know whether to laugh out loud or just feel sad that a country can perpetuate a conflict with such blatant propaganda aimed at kids.

This is what your 'enlightened' Kirchner does Katie Re-registered. Goebbels would hang his head in shame. Incidentally the Peronist movement of which she is part was heavily influenced by WW2 fascism.
The reason the Argentinian players go along with this is they all believe in the Malvinas lie which their government brain washes them with as kids. www.youtube.com/watc h?v=VKkcTpCur7g This cartoon on you tube shows the kind of rubbish they teach them. They still think they sunk HMS Invincible. For anyone who knows anything about the Falklands and it's history you won't know whether to laugh out loud or just feel sad that a country can perpetuate a conflict with such blatant propaganda aimed at kids. This is what your 'enlightened' Kirchner does Katie Re-registered. Goebbels would hang his head in shame. Incidentally the Peronist movement of which she is part was heavily influenced by WW2 fascism. DFM6053
  • Score: 2

2:22pm Sun 8 Jun 14

rogerjwise says...

DFM0653 wrote
Since you can't be bothered doing it yourself, I will do it for you and then tell you why it is a load of nonsense. The people of Diego Garcia are the Chagossians who are of mixed African, Indian and Malay heritage. They were imported into Diego Garcia as plantation workers in the 1800s. About 2000 of them were removed from Diego Garcia in the late 60s by the UK government to make way for a US military base. They have received compensation for the eviction but have not been allowed back. It was not the UK's finest hour as far as human rights go.

The reason this arguement is a load of nonsense is basically what you are saying is that the Chagossians were treated badly therefore the Falkland Islanders should be treated badly as well. I take it if you were forced from your home you would accept it regardless,even if your new home amounted to no more than a slum .
Also by coincidence the first small amount of compensation paid to the Chagossians was at the same time as the Falkland conflict commenced.
DFM0653 wrote Since you can't be bothered doing it yourself, I will do it for you and then tell you why it is a load of nonsense. The people of Diego Garcia are the Chagossians who are of mixed African, Indian and Malay heritage. They were imported into Diego Garcia as plantation workers in the 1800s. About 2000 of them were removed from Diego Garcia in the late 60s by the UK government to make way for a US military base. They have received compensation for the eviction but have not been allowed back. It was not the UK's finest hour as far as human rights go. The reason this arguement is a load of nonsense is basically what you are saying is that the Chagossians were treated badly therefore the Falkland Islanders should be treated badly as well. I take it if you were forced from your home you would accept it regardless,even if your new home amounted to no more than a slum . Also by coincidence the first small amount of compensation paid to the Chagossians was at the same time as the Falkland conflict commenced. rogerjwise
  • Score: 0

2:50pm Sun 8 Jun 14

rogerjwise says...

Of course English football players,are free thinking individuals not influenced by patriotism or flag waving,which i expect to be confirmed next Saturday as they mumble their way through a couple of verses of God save the Queen.
Of course English football players,are free thinking individuals not influenced by patriotism or flag waving,which i expect to be confirmed next Saturday as they mumble their way through a couple of verses of God save the Queen. rogerjwise
  • Score: -2

4:22pm Sun 8 Jun 14

HH1954 says...

Katie Re-Registered wrote:
"Despite repeated diplomatic clashes over the territory since President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner took power in Argentina in 2007, islanders voted by 1,513 to three in favour of remaining British in a referendum last year, which Prime Minister David Cameron said "could not have sent a clearer message"."

Hmm...double standards - not much! Cameron was only just the other day telling Putin off for annexing parts of Ukraine with majority Russian populations who voted in a referendum to be part of Russia yet he's now doing exactly the same. Isn't that a bit hypocritical?

Moreover, whilst I wouldn't have been on the Argentinean side in 1982 when the islands faced the prospect of being ruled by a repressive military dictatorship, I actually think that the islanders would now be better of under the more enlightened regime of Kirchner which, unlike the reactionary UK, has freedom of expression of gender identity guaranteed as one of its laws. I really do hope the Argentineans win this one and tbh - dare I say it - if their troops took the islands and even occupied Westminster tomorrow I'd see them more as liberators akin to the D-Day veterans who freed Europe from Nazi and Fascist control. Viva Argentina!:)
Enlightened regime of Kirchner!!! Good Grief, give your head a shake!!

You obviously have never met the average Argentinian in your life. The type of Argentinian who suffers 25% inflation, who also has a 35% tourist tax imposed upon if he wishes to holiday outside his own country, the type of Argentinian who finds goods we take for granted in the UK completely out of his reach. The type of Argentinian who spends his life in abject povertry and scrapes a living begging on the streets of his capital city because the enlightened regime of Kirchner can't see their way to provide him with benefits or a living wage.

Argentina is a fine country with warm and welcoming people who couldn't give two hoots about the Falklands / Malvinas. The only reason you are seeing this photo and reading the rhetoric is because the Argentine economy is knackered and it is in the state it is because of the enlightened Kirchner regime as you put it, and on the eve of the world cup stirs up nationalism and diverts from the real issues.

Look at the picture and point out one player who is currently playing in England....... you won't find one because they know where their bread is buttered.

Here's a link http://www.theguardi
an.com/football/2014
/jun/08/argentina-fa
lkland-islands-slove
nia-friendly
[quote][p][bold]Katie Re-Registered[/bold] wrote: "Despite repeated diplomatic clashes over the territory since President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner took power in Argentina in 2007, islanders voted by 1,513 to three in favour of remaining British in a referendum last year, which Prime Minister David Cameron said "could not have sent a clearer message"." Hmm...double standards - not much! Cameron was only just the other day telling Putin off for annexing parts of Ukraine with majority Russian populations who voted in a referendum to be part of Russia yet he's now doing exactly the same. Isn't that a bit hypocritical? Moreover, whilst I wouldn't have been on the Argentinean side in 1982 when the islands faced the prospect of being ruled by a repressive military dictatorship, I actually think that the islanders would now be better of under the more enlightened regime of Kirchner which, unlike the reactionary UK, has freedom of expression of gender identity guaranteed as one of its laws. I really do hope the Argentineans win this one and tbh - dare I say it - if their troops took the islands and even occupied Westminster tomorrow I'd see them more as liberators akin to the D-Day veterans who freed Europe from Nazi and Fascist control. Viva Argentina!:)[/p][/quote]Enlightened regime of Kirchner!!! Good Grief, give your head a shake!! You obviously have never met the average Argentinian in your life. The type of Argentinian who suffers 25% inflation, who also has a 35% tourist tax imposed upon if he wishes to holiday outside his own country, the type of Argentinian who finds goods we take for granted in the UK completely out of his reach. The type of Argentinian who spends his life in abject povertry and scrapes a living begging on the streets of his capital city because the enlightened regime of Kirchner can't see their way to provide him with benefits or a living wage. Argentina is a fine country with warm and welcoming people who couldn't give two hoots about the Falklands / Malvinas. The only reason you are seeing this photo and reading the rhetoric is because the Argentine economy is knackered and it is in the state it is because of the enlightened Kirchner regime as you put it, and on the eve of the world cup stirs up nationalism and diverts from the real issues. Look at the picture and point out one player who is currently playing in England....... you won't find one because they know where their bread is buttered. Here's a link http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /jun/08/argentina-fa lkland-islands-slove nia-friendly HH1954
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8:56pm Sun 8 Jun 14

A.P.Feeders says...

HH1954 wrote:
Katie Re-Registered wrote:
"Despite repeated diplomatic clashes over the territory since President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner took power in Argentina in 2007, islanders voted by 1,513 to three in favour of remaining British in a referendum last year, which Prime Minister David Cameron said "could not have sent a clearer message"."

Hmm...double standards - not much! Cameron was only just the other day telling Putin off for annexing parts of Ukraine with majority Russian populations who voted in a referendum to be part of Russia yet he's now doing exactly the same. Isn't that a bit hypocritical?

Moreover, whilst I wouldn't have been on the Argentinean side in 1982 when the islands faced the prospect of being ruled by a repressive military dictatorship, I actually think that the islanders would now be better of under the more enlightened regime of Kirchner which, unlike the reactionary UK, has freedom of expression of gender identity guaranteed as one of its laws. I really do hope the Argentineans win this one and tbh - dare I say it - if their troops took the islands and even occupied Westminster tomorrow I'd see them more as liberators akin to the D-Day veterans who freed Europe from Nazi and Fascist control. Viva Argentina!:)
Enlightened regime of Kirchner!!! Good Grief, give your head a shake!!

You obviously have never met the average Argentinian in your life. The type of Argentinian who suffers 25% inflation, who also has a 35% tourist tax imposed upon if he wishes to holiday outside his own country, the type of Argentinian who finds goods we take for granted in the UK completely out of his reach. The type of Argentinian who spends his life in abject povertry and scrapes a living begging on the streets of his capital city because the enlightened regime of Kirchner can't see their way to provide him with benefits or a living wage.

Argentina is a fine country with warm and welcoming people who couldn't give two hoots about the Falklands / Malvinas. The only reason you are seeing this photo and reading the rhetoric is because the Argentine economy is knackered and it is in the state it is because of the enlightened Kirchner regime as you put it, and on the eve of the world cup stirs up nationalism and diverts from the real issues.

Look at the picture and point out one player who is currently playing in England....... you won't find one because they know where their bread is buttered.

Here's a link http://www.theguardi

an.com/football/2014

/jun/08/argentina-fa

lkland-islands-slove

nia-friendly
Your right about these facts just read about the 78 World Cup the economy in Argentina was in dire trouble due to the corrupt regime so to divert attention as to what was really going on a World Cup win would help the regime become popular with the people it was win at all costs the players,officials and anyone else who could be bribed knew about the consequences if they didn't .
[quote][p][bold]HH1954[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Katie Re-Registered[/bold] wrote: "Despite repeated diplomatic clashes over the territory since President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner took power in Argentina in 2007, islanders voted by 1,513 to three in favour of remaining British in a referendum last year, which Prime Minister David Cameron said "could not have sent a clearer message"." Hmm...double standards - not much! Cameron was only just the other day telling Putin off for annexing parts of Ukraine with majority Russian populations who voted in a referendum to be part of Russia yet he's now doing exactly the same. Isn't that a bit hypocritical? Moreover, whilst I wouldn't have been on the Argentinean side in 1982 when the islands faced the prospect of being ruled by a repressive military dictatorship, I actually think that the islanders would now be better of under the more enlightened regime of Kirchner which, unlike the reactionary UK, has freedom of expression of gender identity guaranteed as one of its laws. I really do hope the Argentineans win this one and tbh - dare I say it - if their troops took the islands and even occupied Westminster tomorrow I'd see them more as liberators akin to the D-Day veterans who freed Europe from Nazi and Fascist control. Viva Argentina!:)[/p][/quote]Enlightened regime of Kirchner!!! Good Grief, give your head a shake!! You obviously have never met the average Argentinian in your life. The type of Argentinian who suffers 25% inflation, who also has a 35% tourist tax imposed upon if he wishes to holiday outside his own country, the type of Argentinian who finds goods we take for granted in the UK completely out of his reach. The type of Argentinian who spends his life in abject povertry and scrapes a living begging on the streets of his capital city because the enlightened regime of Kirchner can't see their way to provide him with benefits or a living wage. Argentina is a fine country with warm and welcoming people who couldn't give two hoots about the Falklands / Malvinas. The only reason you are seeing this photo and reading the rhetoric is because the Argentine economy is knackered and it is in the state it is because of the enlightened Kirchner regime as you put it, and on the eve of the world cup stirs up nationalism and diverts from the real issues. Look at the picture and point out one player who is currently playing in England....... you won't find one because they know where their bread is buttered. Here's a link http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /jun/08/argentina-fa lkland-islands-slove nia-friendly[/p][/quote]Your right about these facts just read about the 78 World Cup the economy in Argentina was in dire trouble due to the corrupt regime so to divert attention as to what was really going on a World Cup win would help the regime become popular with the people it was win at all costs the players,officials and anyone else who could be bribed knew about the consequences if they didn't . A.P.Feeders
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9:51pm Sun 8 Jun 14

HH1954 says...

A.P.Feeders
I've visited Argentina on a couple of occasions in recent years and warmer welcoming people you'd be hard pushed to find. On a day to day basis the Falklands / Malvinas is not an issue for them. They have no truck with the British, what happened, happened, lives were lost on both sides, we remember our casualties so do they, but our government unlike the Kirchner regime do not seek to make political capital out of it.

If the Kirchner regime had an ounce of brain and sense they would enter into partnership agreements with the British government about the exploitation of the supposed oil wealth and seek agreement with them to use Argentine Ports and refinery's in which to refine the oil and export the same. That way both countries share in the wealth and perhaps the ordinary Argentine man in the street might just see his life improve a little.

Fantastically diverse country with spectacular natural wonders, passionate people ruined only by crap politicians who are as bent as nine bob bits.
A.P.Feeders I've visited Argentina on a couple of occasions in recent years and warmer welcoming people you'd be hard pushed to find. On a day to day basis the Falklands / Malvinas is not an issue for them. They have no truck with the British, what happened, happened, lives were lost on both sides, we remember our casualties so do they, but our government unlike the Kirchner regime do not seek to make political capital out of it. If the Kirchner regime had an ounce of brain and sense they would enter into partnership agreements with the British government about the exploitation of the supposed oil wealth and seek agreement with them to use Argentine Ports and refinery's in which to refine the oil and export the same. That way both countries share in the wealth and perhaps the ordinary Argentine man in the street might just see his life improve a little. Fantastically diverse country with spectacular natural wonders, passionate people ruined only by crap politicians who are as bent as nine bob bits. HH1954
  • Score: 1

1:44am Mon 9 Jun 14

DFM6053 says...

rogerjwise wrote:
Of course English football players,are free thinking individuals not influenced by patriotism or flag waving,which i expect to be confirmed next Saturday as they mumble their way through a couple of verses of God save the Queen.
Nothing wrong with a bit of flag waving and patriotism at a football game so long as it doesn't degenerate into extreme right wing nationalism. What is wrong is using a football game for politics. In particular politics which are aimed at perpetuating a conflict which has cost 1000 lives, traumatised the population of the Falklands and ruined relations between two countries whose people should be friends.
[quote][p][bold]rogerjwise[/bold] wrote: Of course English football players,are free thinking individuals not influenced by patriotism or flag waving,which i expect to be confirmed next Saturday as they mumble their way through a couple of verses of God save the Queen.[/p][/quote]Nothing wrong with a bit of flag waving and patriotism at a football game so long as it doesn't degenerate into extreme right wing nationalism. What is wrong is using a football game for politics. In particular politics which are aimed at perpetuating a conflict which has cost 1000 lives, traumatised the population of the Falklands and ruined relations between two countries whose people should be friends. DFM6053
  • Score: 2

2:07am Mon 9 Jun 14

DFM6053 says...

Rogerjwise, at no point did I say that if I was Chaggosian I would be happy with my situation or accept it. I would be doing everything possible to return. However, that does not mean I would want the Falkland Islanders treated in a similar manner.
Rogerjwise, at no point did I say that if I was Chaggosian I would be happy with my situation or accept it. I would be doing everything possible to return. However, that does not mean I would want the Falkland Islanders treated in a similar manner. DFM6053
  • Score: 1

2:21am Mon 9 Jun 14

DFM6053 says...

rogerjwise wrote:
I watched a BBC magazine programme before the conflict erupted,it showed Argentinians visiting the Falkland island by the way of charter flights,to take advantage of the goods and the price of the items.It went onto explain that the distinct possibility of hostilities commencing.. You would have thought that a BBC lunch time show that had prior knowledge of the situation that was boiling under the surface,that a sufficient and appropriate deterrent would have been engaged. Of the billions of oil and gas, how it will be shared out, To the armed forces involved in the conflict and their dependants. To the citizens of the UK selected by UKIP. To the shareholders and executives of multinational operating in that field.
Companies and their shareholders will obviously make their profits from it otherwise they wouldn't bother drilling.

Taxes will go to the Falklands Islands Government who have stated their intention to have a sovereign wealth fund (such as Norway's) to benefit future generations.

The UK government won't receive any taxes which blows out the water the whole argument that it is all about oil. It isn't. UK politicians, for once, are doing something right through principle.

The Falkland Islanders since the conflict have dragged themselves up and generated a successful economy (9th highest GDP per person in the world). If they make their economy more successful through oil then good on them. They are entirley self sufficient except for defence. They have their own small defence force (basically a light infantry company) which they pay for through their own taxes however this clearly does not have the capability to deter the Argentinians hence a bit of help is needed from their big brother. As well as started a sovereign wealth fund for future generations the Falkland Islands Government have also indicated their intention to voluntarily reimburse the UK tax payer for the additional cost of military defence.
[quote][p][bold]rogerjwise[/bold] wrote: I watched a BBC magazine programme before the conflict erupted,it showed Argentinians visiting the Falkland island by the way of charter flights,to take advantage of the goods and the price of the items.It went onto explain that the distinct possibility of hostilities commencing.. You would have thought that a BBC lunch time show that had prior knowledge of the situation that was boiling under the surface,that a sufficient and appropriate deterrent would have been engaged. Of the billions of oil and gas, how it will be shared out, To the armed forces involved in the conflict and their dependants. To the citizens of the UK selected by UKIP. To the shareholders and executives of multinational operating in that field.[/p][/quote]Companies and their shareholders will obviously make their profits from it otherwise they wouldn't bother drilling. Taxes will go to the Falklands Islands Government who have stated their intention to have a sovereign wealth fund (such as Norway's) to benefit future generations. The UK government won't receive any taxes which blows out the water the whole argument that it is all about oil. It isn't. UK politicians, for once, are doing something right through principle. The Falkland Islanders since the conflict have dragged themselves up and generated a successful economy (9th highest GDP per person in the world). If they make their economy more successful through oil then good on them. They are entirley self sufficient except for defence. They have their own small defence force (basically a light infantry company) which they pay for through their own taxes however this clearly does not have the capability to deter the Argentinians hence a bit of help is needed from their big brother. As well as started a sovereign wealth fund for future generations the Falkland Islands Government have also indicated their intention to voluntarily reimburse the UK tax payer for the additional cost of military defence. DFM6053
  • Score: 2

7:58am Mon 9 Jun 14

Katie Re-Registered says...

HH1954 wrote:
Katie Re-Registered wrote:
"Despite repeated diplomatic clashes over the territory since President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner took power in Argentina in 2007, islanders voted by 1,513 to three in favour of remaining British in a referendum last year, which Prime Minister David Cameron said "could not have sent a clearer message"."

Hmm...double standards - not much! Cameron was only just the other day telling Putin off for annexing parts of Ukraine with majority Russian populations who voted in a referendum to be part of Russia yet he's now doing exactly the same. Isn't that a bit hypocritical?

Moreover, whilst I wouldn't have been on the Argentinean side in 1982 when the islands faced the prospect of being ruled by a repressive military dictatorship, I actually think that the islanders would now be better of under the more enlightened regime of Kirchner which, unlike the reactionary UK, has freedom of expression of gender identity guaranteed as one of its laws. I really do hope the Argentineans win this one and tbh - dare I say it - if their troops took the islands and even occupied Westminster tomorrow I'd see them more as liberators akin to the D-Day veterans who freed Europe from Nazi and Fascist control. Viva Argentina!:)
Enlightened regime of Kirchner!!! Good Grief, give your head a shake!!

You obviously have never met the average Argentinian in your life. The type of Argentinian who suffers 25% inflation, who also has a 35% tourist tax imposed upon if he wishes to holiday outside his own country, the type of Argentinian who finds goods we take for granted in the UK completely out of his reach. The type of Argentinian who spends his life in abject povertry and scrapes a living begging on the streets of his capital city because the enlightened regime of Kirchner can't see their way to provide him with benefits or a living wage.

Argentina is a fine country with warm and welcoming people who couldn't give two hoots about the Falklands / Malvinas. The only reason you are seeing this photo and reading the rhetoric is because the Argentine economy is knackered and it is in the state it is because of the enlightened Kirchner regime as you put it, and on the eve of the world cup stirs up nationalism and diverts from the real issues.

Look at the picture and point out one player who is currently playing in England....... you won't find one because they know where their bread is buttered.

Here's a link http://www.theguardi

an.com/football/2014

/jun/08/argentina-fa

lkland-islands-slove

nia-friendly
I've have actually been to Argentina, HH - although I have to admit that Kirchner (or Queen Cristina as they have mockingly dubbed her) was not very popular with some of the people I met because they consider her a Peronist. Still, she's more enlightened than most world leaders with regard to trans people.
[quote][p][bold]HH1954[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Katie Re-Registered[/bold] wrote: "Despite repeated diplomatic clashes over the territory since President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner took power in Argentina in 2007, islanders voted by 1,513 to three in favour of remaining British in a referendum last year, which Prime Minister David Cameron said "could not have sent a clearer message"." Hmm...double standards - not much! Cameron was only just the other day telling Putin off for annexing parts of Ukraine with majority Russian populations who voted in a referendum to be part of Russia yet he's now doing exactly the same. Isn't that a bit hypocritical? Moreover, whilst I wouldn't have been on the Argentinean side in 1982 when the islands faced the prospect of being ruled by a repressive military dictatorship, I actually think that the islanders would now be better of under the more enlightened regime of Kirchner which, unlike the reactionary UK, has freedom of expression of gender identity guaranteed as one of its laws. I really do hope the Argentineans win this one and tbh - dare I say it - if their troops took the islands and even occupied Westminster tomorrow I'd see them more as liberators akin to the D-Day veterans who freed Europe from Nazi and Fascist control. Viva Argentina!:)[/p][/quote]Enlightened regime of Kirchner!!! Good Grief, give your head a shake!! You obviously have never met the average Argentinian in your life. The type of Argentinian who suffers 25% inflation, who also has a 35% tourist tax imposed upon if he wishes to holiday outside his own country, the type of Argentinian who finds goods we take for granted in the UK completely out of his reach. The type of Argentinian who spends his life in abject povertry and scrapes a living begging on the streets of his capital city because the enlightened regime of Kirchner can't see their way to provide him with benefits or a living wage. Argentina is a fine country with warm and welcoming people who couldn't give two hoots about the Falklands / Malvinas. The only reason you are seeing this photo and reading the rhetoric is because the Argentine economy is knackered and it is in the state it is because of the enlightened Kirchner regime as you put it, and on the eve of the world cup stirs up nationalism and diverts from the real issues. Look at the picture and point out one player who is currently playing in England....... you won't find one because they know where their bread is buttered. Here's a link http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /jun/08/argentina-fa lkland-islands-slove nia-friendly[/p][/quote]I've have actually been to Argentina, HH - although I have to admit that Kirchner (or Queen Cristina as they have mockingly dubbed her) was not very popular with some of the people I met because they consider her a Peronist. Still, she's more enlightened than most world leaders with regard to trans people. Katie Re-Registered
  • Score: 0

8:56pm Mon 9 Jun 14

varteg1 says...

Katie Re-Registered wrote:
"Despite repeated diplomatic clashes over the territory since President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner took power in Argentina in 2007, islanders voted by 1,513 to three in favour of remaining British in a referendum last year, which Prime Minister David Cameron said "could not have sent a clearer message"."

Hmm...double standards - not much! Cameron was only just the other day telling Putin off for annexing parts of Ukraine with majority Russian populations who voted in a referendum to be part of Russia yet he's now doing exactly the same. Isn't that a bit hypocritical?

Moreover, whilst I wouldn't have been on the Argentinean side in 1982 when the islands faced the prospect of being ruled by a repressive military dictatorship, I actually think that the islanders would now be better of under the more enlightened regime of Kirchner which, unlike the reactionary UK, has freedom of expression of gender identity guaranteed as one of its laws. I really do hope the Argentineans win this one and tbh - dare I say it - if their troops took the islands and even occupied Westminster tomorrow I'd see them more as liberators akin to the D-Day veterans who freed Europe from Nazi and Fascist control. Viva Argentina!:)
Is it at all possible you may, at some future date, refrain from dragging your gender bending crap onto every message you submit.

It's got to be so very tiresome by now.

Few are bothered about the matter anyway, until it gets brought up in messages that are inappropriately infected with it.

Give your 'sexual equality' rubbish a rest.
[quote][p][bold]Katie Re-Registered[/bold] wrote: "Despite repeated diplomatic clashes over the territory since President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner took power in Argentina in 2007, islanders voted by 1,513 to three in favour of remaining British in a referendum last year, which Prime Minister David Cameron said "could not have sent a clearer message"." Hmm...double standards - not much! Cameron was only just the other day telling Putin off for annexing parts of Ukraine with majority Russian populations who voted in a referendum to be part of Russia yet he's now doing exactly the same. Isn't that a bit hypocritical? Moreover, whilst I wouldn't have been on the Argentinean side in 1982 when the islands faced the prospect of being ruled by a repressive military dictatorship, I actually think that the islanders would now be better of under the more enlightened regime of Kirchner which, unlike the reactionary UK, has freedom of expression of gender identity guaranteed as one of its laws. I really do hope the Argentineans win this one and tbh - dare I say it - if their troops took the islands and even occupied Westminster tomorrow I'd see them more as liberators akin to the D-Day veterans who freed Europe from Nazi and Fascist control. Viva Argentina!:)[/p][/quote]Is it at all possible you may, at some future date, refrain from dragging your gender bending crap onto every message you submit. It's got to be so very tiresome by now. Few are bothered about the matter anyway, until it gets brought up in messages that are inappropriately infected with it. Give your 'sexual equality' rubbish a rest. varteg1
  • Score: 1

9:06pm Mon 9 Jun 14

varteg1 says...

Must we keep on telling these folk that we will agree to return the Falklands to their nearest neighbour when those that colonised and subjugated the natives of the region leave and return the land known as Argentina to those natives.
Must we keep on telling these folk that we will agree to return the Falklands to their nearest neighbour when those that colonised and subjugated the natives of the region leave and return the land known as Argentina to those natives. varteg1
  • Score: 0

8:48pm Tue 10 Jun 14

rogerjwise says...

Pre 1982,how much knowledge the general public of the UK had of the Falkland Islands,would be difficult to gauge,who would have been able to say which was the closest land mass,who knew of Stanley and who would have thought in 2014 that pre-conflict, that junior foreign minister Nicholas Ridley had been hard at work preparing a-sale and leaseback-to ? yes Argentina.just as the only Navy vessel in the area departed,no it was not about oil it was about Thatcher.
Pre 1982,how much knowledge the general public of the UK had of the Falkland Islands,would be difficult to gauge,who would have been able to say which was the closest land mass,who knew of Stanley and who would have thought in 2014 that pre-conflict, that junior foreign minister Nicholas Ridley had been hard at work preparing a-sale and leaseback-to ? yes Argentina.just as the only Navy vessel in the area departed,no it was not about oil it was about Thatcher. rogerjwise
  • Score: 0
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