Oxford United boss determined to succeed

9:30am Friday 21st September 2012 in United News Photograph of the Author By David Pritchard, Chief Sports Reporter covering Oxford United. Follow us on twitter: @oxfordmailoufc. Call me on 01865 425458

CHRIS Wilder understands there are some Oxford United supporters who want a change of management.

But after a “constructive” chat with chairman Ian Lenagan, he is more determined than ever to succeed.

The U’s have plummeted down the npower League Two table following four successive defeats – matching the worst run since Wilder took charge in 2008.

A small section of supporters called for his resignation during the 4-0 defeat at Burton last weekend – a rarity during his tenure.

Wilder, who met Lenagan after the midweek 2-1 defeat at Cheltenham, is aware of his critics, but thinks they are in the minority.

“I’ve got a good relationship with the supporters,” he said. “There are always people who want change.

“I was speaking to the chairman and under the previous owner’s reign, managers were getting sacked left, right and centre.

“I think if you ask any football club stability is key, but I understand the industry as well.

“I had a constructive chat with the chairman on Wednesday morning, like we always do in the week.

“He’s been in sport long enough –I don’t have to spin anything round because he sees where it’s at. There are small dividing lines (between winning and losing) at the moment and we have to turn it around.”

The losing streak has hit United’s confidence and they will need all the support they can get tomorrow when Bradford City visit the Kassam Stadium .

Wilder felt supporters acknowledged the improvement in performance at Cheltenham and emphasised the vital role they play.

He said: “From what I saw and heard at Cheltenham, they were getting right behind the players.

“That’s all I’ve ever asked for – anything else aimed at me at half-time and full-time then fair enough, but let’s make sure the players have the opportunity to produce their best performance.

“I go back to the Swindon game (a 1-0 win earlier this month) and you cannot under-estimate what that push does to the players.”

Wilder was the subject of intense speculation linking him to the Coventry City job earlier this month following United’s excellent start to the season.

The Sky Blues appointed Mark Robins earlier this week, but the United boss feels his commitment to the club cannot be doubted.

He said: “I was running down the touchline against Swindon (to celebrate the winning goal), so I don’t need to prove my loyalty or passion for the football club.

“You’ll always get people who are critical of what you’re doing, but the most important people are the ones I work for.

“If they believe what I’m doing is the right thing that’s good enough for me.”

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adlibber says...
10:56am Fri 21 Sep 12

I suspect we''ll know more over the next two or three games whether the constructive chat with the owner means anything. Celebrating a meaningless cup game over rivals should be low on the priority scale. We need to be out of this division and into league one at the end of this season. No excuses any more. Wilder needs to stop excusing his mistakes and fix them now.

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Brenda Jackson says...
11:33am Fri 21 Sep 12

Brave words from the manager, but there's no denying the team are playing poorly and on an alarming run of defeats
-and unless he (CW) can halt the slide and start winning matches the supporters will vote with their feet.

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Bobby.Lashley says...
12:08pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Lets keep with CW until xmas if no improvement then its time to go.The keeping players fit initative doesnt seem to be working but nobody sems to be having a go at that.Having a full set of fit players to chose from has to be a critica factor in our success.COYYs

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jbowling says...
1:03pm Fri 21 Sep 12

It's human nature to feel sorry for anyone who is going through a tough time. It's so easy to say let's give it another three months, then another but the writing's been on the wall for ages now.

This is going from bad to worse - particularly with more injuries-and before too long we could be in deep mire.

Stick or Twist Mr Lenegan it's your call

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jbowling says...
1:05pm Fri 21 Sep 12

By the way the supporters have already begun voting with their feet Brenda

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BigYellowScarf says...
1:10pm Fri 21 Sep 12

How comforting it must be to live in a fantasyland in which all the problems with a team or a club can be reduced to a simple formula: “it’s the manager’s fault – get him out”. Anyone who’s ever managed or coached or taught anybody anything (especially a team) knows that it’s SO MUCH more complicated. And in the case of football, have you really not being playing / managing / coaching / watching long enough to realise how huge an element CHANCE plays? Carry on slagging off CW if it makes you feel better, and makes you feel like you’re shrewd analysts of the game. But unlike the hysterical over-reaction in most posts in the last fortnight (“We’ve won the first three! We’re going up!” / “We’ve lost four in a row – everybody panic!”), most of what CW says is spot on and bears some relation to the real world. The obsessive references by some posters to CW’s “excuses” are baffling – he’s notable for not making any. And by the way, IL’s recent comment that CW has “changed the landscape of the club” in the time he’s been here is dead right. Some people have very short memories. Get behind him. Get behind the team. Win the next game. Come on you yellows.

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bigchet says...
1:44pm Fri 21 Sep 12

well said big yellow scarf , by our very nature we are all experts and could manage our local team or england come to that much better yhan the relevant managers ,its easy when you dont have to make the decisions.i dont agree with every thing that cw does either but feel that the injuries make it hard to get a settled side.,so get behind the team and stick with it and it will get better.

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jbowling says...
2:34pm Fri 21 Sep 12

This bloke created this team and all the others he has put out over the last two years.

He has had more time than alll other managers in this division to get things right and hasn't. He can only be measured by his results.

If you think he has done well then thats your opinion but where we are now is not down to chance.

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Micky Hazard says...
3:31pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Ooo look who got a couple of mentions AGAIN. Obsessed or what?!
You lot look up to us in more ways than one - fact.
Really enjoyable night at Fratton Park on Tuesday.
You'll be back to crowds of less than 5000 again this season. Back to the norm, ie before you spent FOUR YEARS in NON-LEAGUE obscurity. You've still got a few fans from that bandwagon, & they'll desert you before too long.
Thank you Poxford - I'm loving this. Please keep the entertainment coming.

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Simple man says...
3:53pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Look who got a mention again, and look who's reading and posting on a website for another team... Glad you're enjoying it, you simpleton - you haven't had much enjoyment from playing us recently, now have you? By the way, that last point was a retorical question (which means more of a statement, and no need to answer), for your benefit. Now off you trot, my pond-dweling friend.

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jasperwasp says...
4:29pm Fri 21 Sep 12

wilder must go if he dont ,oxford will be back in the conferance league at the end of season .

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Beau champ mummy says...
4:36pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Taxi for wilder and that parasite lenagan

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Beau champ mummy says...
4:38pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Running down the line r u having a laugh looked like a pig in pants to me

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oldun says...
5:24pm Fri 21 Sep 12

B.Y.S. - I suspect that few of CWs critics are suggesting that managing a football team is easy or that they could do better themselves. He is paid very well to manage one of the biggest 92 clubs in England and Wales and we expect a much higher standard from him than he has 'delivered' since around February time .Yes, Us have suffered many bad managers for far too long - we have had much worse . He took us to 3rd place in the Conference (thankfully there are play offs and we got up). As League managers, most United managers since the late 90s deserve about 3 out of 10 - I give wilder 5 - nowhere near good enough. He has had a long spell at the club - too long PS . I would have given myself about 1 out of 10 as a manager (at a much lower level) - I don't judge CW by the standards of the what paying public could do - and nor do many, I suspect

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swalker260 says...
5:37pm Fri 21 Sep 12

I agree with bigyellowscarf, its great that supporters who were behind CW when we went to Wembley which did not happen overnight,it takes time to build a team you don't get success overnight or after 3 seasons in the league
It seems to me that our Supporters!! thought that once we were back in the 2nd division we were going to trot up the leagues, one thing I am concerned about is the number of long term injuries as we have not been able to put out our best team for some time,and as our squad size is limited that has a big bearing on our results.
Come Xmas if we are in the bottom half then I think supporters can voice concern but so early in the season I don't think is fair, on the players,manager or chairman.

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oldun says...
5:44pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Many teams do get success in much quicker than 3 years after coming into the league - we managed it in 3 seasons in 62-65 - but many others have managed it in one or two . 5 out of 10 for CW over his time at the club - 3rd in the Conference was no big deal for United - we came 2nd in our first season out of the League

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BigYellowScarf says...
5:46pm Fri 21 Sep 12

oldun wrote:
B.Y.S. - I suspect that few of CWs critics are suggesting that managing a football team is easy or that they could do better themselves. He is paid very well to manage one of the biggest 92 clubs in England and Wales and we expect a much higher standard from him than he has 'delivered' since around February time .Yes, Us have suffered many bad managers for far too long - we have had much worse . He took us to 3rd place in the Conference (thankfully there are play offs and we got up). As League managers, most United managers since the late 90s deserve about 3 out of 10 - I give wilder 5 - nowhere near good enough. He has had a long spell at the club - too long PS . I would have given myself about 1 out of 10 as a manager (at a much lower level) - I don't judge CW by the standards of the what paying public could do - and nor do many, I suspect
You're missing my point: far too much is assumed to be down to the manager. The manager - any manager - can do only so much in any given circumstances. Many people simplistically imagine that a change of manager's the answer every time a team hits a problem. If it were, why would there be the endless, farcical merry-go-round? When was the last time a change of manager helped this club? Er - I think you'll find it was the appointment of CW. Oh, and when did we last have a promotion within the Football League? 1996, under Denis Smith, who in the October of that season was on the brink of being sacked after a shocking run of performances and results. Two and a half months later, we start a run of 13 wins and 1 defeat in 17 games. All down to the manager? Really?

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Ians view says...
5:50pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Oxford is indeed one of the biggest 92 clubs in England and Wales, but of that 92... Oxford is pretty low down. Clubs with smaller attendances have bigger assets in players, etc. but Oxford are catching them up.

Some people would like Oxford to be another Leeds, Portsmouth or Rangers...

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karatavuk says...
5:51pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Wilder had a good first year at Oxford but since then we have seen hopeless negative football which has failed to consistently get results.
We do well in big games, like play-off matches and games against Swindon but we can't produce good football in regular games.

Change now or it will be too late.

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bigchet says...
6:04pm Fri 21 Sep 12

chis and fips gives us abit of banter and its usually not malicious and football related so that is fine , but this clown calling himself beauchampmummy has taken over from yellowhood with his puerile and banal remarks that must be an embarassment to everyone except him.i would guess he is just out of painting by numbers.

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oldun says...
6:08pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Of course , it is not all down to the manager (he has changed the players enough, though) It is just that I rate him as pretty average . You must be seeing much better in him because I believe that he has had enough years . Just because we have had a series of largely bad managers does not mean that a change of manager does not help (as it did when , er , er, he arrived) . Changes of our club's manager in the period since mid 50s - Turner (big plus), Saunders (big plus - saved us from relegation) , Summers (OK - followed move by Saunders to bigger club) , Brown (OK), Asprey (bad), Greaves (sensational change - saved us from bottom place virtually overnight ) , Jim Smith (initially OK - then brilliant), Maurice (OK - then won that little cup), Lawrenson (not much change from relegation form under Maurice) , Horton (picked things up), Denis Smith (picked things up - initiially) After that - oh dear problems did set in - but the managerial changes from about 97 onwards did not always take us downhill, did they? The club is not heading for promotion under CW - it is on the slide - 5 out of 10 . Where do you think we will end this season. we won't even make the top 7

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oldun says...
6:12pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Yes , of course, Oxford is not at the moment anywhere near being in the biggest 44 of the 92 - but it ain't anywhere near being one of the smallest 24 - but many smaller clubs will come above us this season (and there are about ten RELATIVE minnows in League one, too)

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karatavuk says...
7:08pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Wilder has taken his eye off the ball. He is only interested in finding a new job.
Just go Chris. You'll have more time to fil in your CV.

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hawkeye1 says...
7:18pm Fri 21 Sep 12

oldun wrote:
Yes , of course, Oxford is not at the moment anywhere near being in the biggest 44 of the 92 - but it ain't anywhere near being one of the smallest 24 - but many smaller clubs will come above us this season (and there are about ten RELATIVE minnows in League one, too)
Hey olden, don't you miss those days in the 60's and early 70's up at the Manor, when you could go to a game with confidence that Oxford were going to win, I used to stand down at cookoo lane end in all weathers, wish we could find another Colin Clark and Dave Roberts, not much got past those two, and with the Tank as captain, we should never have left the Manor.

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lozkel says...
7:23pm Fri 21 Sep 12

another nail in the coffin when bradford win tomorrow

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oldun says...
7:29pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Good un! - yes, I do miss those days - promotions in 62, 65 and 68 . Divisional Champs 61, 62 and 68 . FA Cup Quarter Finalists in 64, League Cup Quarter Final replay in 70 - so my little book tells me. In what is now called the 'championship' for 8 consec seasons. Reaching1976 before our first relegation (DOWN to 'League One') . Jim Barron, Davey Sloan, Hugh Curran , Graham Atkinson, Roy B, Clarke and Roberts - so much better days - and you know it. 76 - 81 was grim but we weren't playing in the 4th Div as we are now .

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kckidlington says...
8:10pm Fri 21 Sep 12

BigYellowScarf wrote:
How comforting it must be to live in a fantasyland in which all the problems with a team or a club can be reduced to a simple formula: “it’s the manager’s fault – get him out”. Anyone who’s ever managed or coached or taught anybody anything (especially a team) knows that it’s SO MUCH more complicated. And in the case of football, have you really not being playing / managing / coaching / watching long enough to realise how huge an element CHANCE plays? Carry on slagging off CW if it makes you feel better, and makes you feel like you’re shrewd analysts of the game. But unlike the hysterical over-reaction in most posts in the last fortnight (“We’ve won the first three! We’re going up!” / “We’ve lost four in a row – everybody panic!”), most of what CW says is spot on and bears some relation to the real world. The obsessive references by some posters to CW’s “excuses” are baffling – he’s notable for not making any. And by the way, IL’s recent comment that CW has “changed the landscape of the club” in the time he’s been here is dead right. Some people have very short memories. Get behind him. Get behind the team. Win the next game. Come on you yellows.
Well said

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oldun says...
8:16pm Fri 21 Sep 12

OK - look forward to 2013-14 in Div 4 - that seems to be the aspiration of some of you. Depressing mediocrity - not much better than when we played the likes of Histon and Hayes (and Yeading!). Enjoy your season with CW, then - I won't . Fans are voting with their feet

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Brenda Jackson says...
8:49pm Fri 21 Sep 12

oldun wrote:
OK - look forward to 2013-14 in Div 4 - that seems to be the aspiration of some of you. Depressing mediocrity - not much better than when we played the likes of Histon and Hayes (and Yeading!). Enjoy your season with CW, then - I won't . Fans are voting with their feet
''Enjoy your season with CW, then - I won't . Fans are voting with their feet ''

Voting with their feet- but not just because of the last four defeats imho- The 'Football' on offer under the current manager is just not vfm tbh.
Even in days gone by when we've actually won a match or two, i have not felt i got my moneys worth or been entertained, and as a Yorkshire man Chairman Ian Lenegan will appreciate my wanting something for my hard earnt cash.

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village lad says...
8:52pm Fri 21 Sep 12

4-3-3 isn't working, and never has. problem with CW (along with the injuries) is that he dont seem to have a plan B.
Pretty inept in terms of tactics.

A good club, a sucsessful club can adapt comfortably to playing in 2-3 different formations. Oxford can't, which means that the opposition more or less know before a bal;l is kicked exactly how you're going to play giving them an advantage.

Since January Oxford have only scored more than 2 goals in 9 games. That is a shocking stat, and is part fo your downfall.

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oldun says...
9:10pm Fri 21 Sep 12

village lad wrote:
4-3-3 isn't working, and never has. problem with CW (along with the injuries) is that he dont seem to have a plan B.
Pretty inept in terms of tactics.

A good club, a sucsessful club can adapt comfortably to playing in 2-3 different formations. Oxford can't, which means that the opposition more or less know before a bal;l is kicked exactly how you're going to play giving them an advantage.

Since January Oxford have only scored more than 2 goals in 9 games. That is a shocking stat, and is part fo your downfall.
You must mean more than one goal in a match. The last time we scored more than two goals in a competitive match was January 7th . Mind you for more than one goal my guess would have been much less than 9 times

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Simon84 says...
10:07pm Fri 21 Sep 12

BigYellowScarf wrote:
oldun wrote:
B.Y.S. - I suspect that few of CWs critics are suggesting that managing a football team is easy or that they could do better themselves. He is paid very well to manage one of the biggest 92 clubs in England and Wales and we expect a much higher standard from him than he has 'delivered' since around February time .Yes, Us have suffered many bad managers for far too long - we have had much worse . He took us to 3rd place in the Conference (thankfully there are play offs and we got up). As League managers, most United managers since the late 90s deserve about 3 out of 10 - I give wilder 5 - nowhere near good enough. He has had a long spell at the club - too long PS . I would have given myself about 1 out of 10 as a manager (at a much lower level) - I don't judge CW by the standards of the what paying public could do - and nor do many, I suspect
You're missing my point: far too much is assumed to be down to the manager. The manager - any manager - can do only so much in any given circumstances. Many people simplistically imagine that a change of manager's the answer every time a team hits a problem. If it were, why would there be the endless, farcical merry-go-round? When was the last time a change of manager helped this club? Er - I think you'll find it was the appointment of CW. Oh, and when did we last have a promotion within the Football League? 1996, under Denis Smith, who in the October of that season was on the brink of being sacked after a shocking run of performances and results. Two and a half months later, we start a run of 13 wins and 1 defeat in 17 games. All down to the manager? Really?
Ok if a manager isnt that important why don't we sack him and be managerless.

Your a clown bigYellowScarf is your surname Wilder by any chance?

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support your local team says...
10:31pm Fri 21 Sep 12

Is it a big surprise if those that seem set against Chris Wilder appear to be the least articulate? They seem to quickly get personal. They frequently take comfort in accusing a supportive poster of being linked with the club - they cannot accept that the majority of fans think the management of the club is generally sound.
CW's post-match comments from the last two games have called it right - he is seeing the same game as me and has an eminently reasonable/sensible perspective.
I know 'you make your own luck' but we've been struck by worldy goals and injuries and until we have a full squad to choose from its going to be a challenge. In the meantime I will keep supporting the team and the management because to do otherwise seems totally counter productive.

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Tom Cranmer says...
10:52pm Fri 21 Sep 12

I think the U's are in safe hands - . CW has been good for the team in general for almost four years, or 190 games. With a win ratio of 46%, you shouldn't be demanding his scalp six weeks into a season. There have been a lot of changes in the boardroom over summer, and that is bound to have had a trickle down effect to the dressing room in what is effectively a small business.

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hawkeye1 says...
12:18am Sat 22 Sep 12

oldun wrote:
Good un! - yes, I do miss those days - promotions in 62, 65 and 68 . Divisional Champs 61, 62 and 68 . FA Cup Quarter Finalists in 64, League Cup Quarter Final replay in 70 - so my little book tells me. In what is now called the 'championship' for 8 consec seasons. Reaching1976 before our first relegation (DOWN to 'League One') . Jim Barron, Davey Sloan, Hugh Curran , Graham Atkinson, Roy B, Clarke and Roberts - so much better days - and you know it. 76 - 81 was grim but we weren't playing in the 4th Div as we are now .
mentioning the names makes it feel like yesterday, Harrington used to run like a greyhound up the wing but then take the ball out of play, Evenson took a lot of stick, Burton had hands like shovels for his size, Dave Jones worked on the same line as me at Cowley, ah !! the good old days.

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oldun says...
5:28am Sat 22 Sep 12

Tom Cranmer wrote:
I think the U's are in safe hands - . CW has been good for the team in general for almost four years, or 190 games. With a win ratio of 46%, you shouldn't be demanding his scalp six weeks into a season. There have been a lot of changes in the boardroom over summer, and that is bound to have had a trickle down effect to the dressing room in what is effectively a small business.
Many of those wins came over the likes of Hayes, Forest Green. and other 'village clubs' = no big deal - came 3rd the year we went up. .Board changes can help businesses. Our play has been largely poor since January. Surely, we must win today - five League matches without a win (possibly 5 defeats) is totally unacceptable and rare at this club - except for during the Kemp season. Excuses must stop. COYY - come on CW - a win is what we expect (nay, demand)

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oldun says...
5:28am Sat 22 Sep 12

Tom Cranmer wrote:
I think the U's are in safe hands - . CW has been good for the team in general for almost four years, or 190 games. With a win ratio of 46%, you shouldn't be demanding his scalp six weeks into a season. There have been a lot of changes in the boardroom over summer, and that is bound to have had a trickle down effect to the dressing room in what is effectively a small business.
Many of those wins came over the likes of Hayes, Forest Green. and other 'village clubs' = no big deal - came 3rd the year we went up. .Board changes can help businesses. Our play has been largely poor since January. Surely, we must win today - five League matches without a win (possibly 5 defeats) is totally unacceptable and rare at this club - except for during the Kemp season. Excuses must stop. COYY - come on CW - a win is what we expect (nay, demand)

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martico1 says...
10:13am Sat 22 Sep 12

Well said Big Yellow Scarf - all this negative anti-CW is just pointless and irritating. CW knows (as does IL - he certainly doesn't need all those rants) as well as anyone that he needs to turn things round; but it's only mid-September!

I do wish our srikers coud be helped/made to perform better, and I don't understand why e.g.Tommy Craddock can look class vs Plymouth and so inept at Cheltenham. Who's coaching HIM when we have two defenders and a midfield stopper on our bench?

I'll be there this afternoon, full of renewed hope.....!

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oldun says...
10:21am Sat 22 Sep 12

Don't be irritated by my 'negative' posts - don't read em (no doubt you will say you don't read the rantings of this 'senile' pensioner) . Full credit to CW from me - if he takes up this year - but he won't - will he? Enjoy League Two next season - long suffering U's fans have waited so so long to see underachieving United play in the third tier - against those 24 absolutely gigantic clubs

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oldun says...
6:44pm Sat 22 Sep 12

Negative - or accurate? Verbal 'd' reigned as ever when CW eventually spoke on Radio Oxford. COYY

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oldun says...
7:59pm Sat 22 Sep 12

One shot on target (out of 5!!) - Bradford 14 shots (6 on target) - be fair Bradford were the away team and had struggled away from home . Come up with the positives on that one

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Chish and Fips says...
9:30pm Sat 22 Sep 12

oldun wrote:
One shot on target (out of 5!!) - Bradford 14 shots (6 on target) - be fair Bradford were the away team and had struggled away from home . Come up with the positives on that one
Your goalie only let in two of the six on target ones .....

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OxRoxBox says...
9:23am Sun 23 Sep 12

Oldun I agree and after yesterday I am voting with my feet until change is made. It costs me well over £500 a year to follow my team and I am now soo disillusioned with our League form and Management there will be one less going to the home games until a change is made.
For those of you who say that is pathetic fair enough but I would rather go shopping with the Mrs and that says something after over 30 years of hope ! I am still Yellow til I die but at this rate that will be sooner rather than later watching this Dross!
I feel very depressed and hope IL does something to arrest this now

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karatavuk says...
10:05pm Sun 23 Sep 12

Chish and Fips wrote:
oldun wrote:
One shot on target (out of 5!!) - Bradford 14 shots (6 on target) - be fair Bradford were the away team and had struggled away from home . Come up with the positives on that one
Your goalie only let in two of the six on target ones .....
At least you can count the number of shots on the fingers of one hand.

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CamView says...
12:23pm Mon 24 Sep 12

I travel from Cambridge to watch Oxford haviving supported for ovr50 years. Strdays game as awfuland by half time I had lost interest. That is unsual for me - always live in hope of us getting something out of a game. We were so poor all over the pitch taht it obvious that something is radcally wrong. The manager and his coaching team have to take their share of the blame otherwise what is the point of having a manager and a coaching team. It is not just this last run of games. The last nine games of last season have to be considered as well. I will throw he Sheffiied cup game in s well where 2000 Oxford suportes ravelled to the game and the team completyely failed to turn up. People seem to forget that goal scoring has been problem and Wilders decision to let Midson and Green go (Green scored over 30 goals for Mansfield last season). His use of loan players who are not up to standard required in reference to players on contract over the past three season was very poor.
If the manager cannot motivate his team to play with heart and ethusiasm its time for him to go.

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oldun says...
12:34pm Mon 24 Sep 12

Goalscoring - yep Wilder let them go - and to think that we turned down two improved bids (reported to be in excess of £160,000) for James Dixie Dean Constable - grrrr!

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The Manager says...
6:54pm Mon 24 Sep 12

Five wins out of the last twenty four games three of them this season is enough said. The record speaks for itself ,you cannot blame it all on injuries.

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The Manager says...
6:54pm Mon 24 Sep 12

Five wins out of the last twenty four games three of them this season is enough said. The record speaks for itself ,you cannot blame it all on injuries.

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The Manager says...
6:54pm Mon 24 Sep 12

Five wins out of the last twenty four games three of them this season is enough said. The record speaks for itself ,you cannot blame it all on injuries.

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